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From: "rgb" <rbielaws@i1.net>
Subject: Re: Mis-features of let (was Defadvice use)
Date: 18 Apr 2005 20:48:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1113882527.264397.292310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87pswry5py.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org

> bla bla

Yes.  Communication with 'inteligent beings' is, for me, quite often
an extreemly difficult and error prone task.  Believe it or not I
spent over 2 hrs on that post trying to be clear. 3 on this.

> Another way is to post here an example of a specific behavior which
> you find counter intuitive (basically write a bug report, but asking
> why it works that way, rather than claiming it's a bug ;-).

I didn't say it *was* a bug, but "a bug waiting to happen".  Perhaps
thats an idiom you're not familiar with.  Sorry.  But my other
statement should have made it clear I wasn't claiming it was a bug:
"Since it appears to be by design, I'd be terribly curious to see any
archive of discussions concerning why this is appropriate behavior."

> It'd also be helpful to cite relevant parts of the elisp manual
> which lead you to your mis-understanding, so we can try and improve
> it.

So your saying "no mention in any Elisp manual section that covers
plists or symbol function cells about this behavior" isn't specific
enough?  I'm sure your not implying I should have actually listed
every section that refers to either of these subjects so I can't tell
what more you expected me to cite.

I also expressed "The `feature' is only _implied_, not documented."
IOW, no place (as in anywhere in the user or reference manual) do I
find a warning or even a passing mention that a symbol, created by let
or let* is handled differently from a symbol created through set,
fset, any of the def... forms, intern, etc.

>From what you've said (and experiments point to you being correct), no
one should ever use put, fset, setplist etc on any symbol whose origin
might be let or let* since the resulting behavior would apparently be
undefined (as evidenced by the example in my previous post).

Hence, a bug waiting to happen.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-19  3:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-18 12:56 Defadvice use Matthias
2005-04-18 17:11 ` rgb
2005-04-18 17:25   ` Johan Bockgård
2005-04-18 19:05     ` rgb
2005-04-18 19:43       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19  0:15         ` rgb
2005-04-19  0:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19  3:48             ` rgb [this message]
2005-04-19  4:31               ` Mis-features of let Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19  6:38                 ` rgb
2005-04-19 12:21                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 20:31                     ` rgb
2005-04-19 21:45                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 12:55                   ` Barry Margolin
2005-04-19 20:31                     ` rgb
2005-04-20  4:12                       ` Barry Margolin
2005-04-19 21:10                     ` rgb
2005-04-19 21:57                       ` Kevin Rodgers
2005-04-19 22:00                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20  1:04                         ` rgb
2005-04-20 10:04                           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 11:57                             ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 14:41                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-04-19  9:41               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-04-19  5:07           ` Defadvice use Barry Margolin
2005-04-18 17:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-18 21:07   ` Matthias
2005-04-18 23:20     ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-18 20:28 ` Kevin Rodgers

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