From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Edward Casey" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: multilingual characters Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:34:45 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <10l5gnnd76m0scc@corp.supernews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1095943152 7082 80.91.229.6 (23 Sep 2004 12:39:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:39:12 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 23 14:39:02 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CASsH-0007l5-00 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:39:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CASyJ-0002SU-HG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:45:15 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-08!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Original-Lines: 52 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:125471 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:20825 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:20825 wrote in message news:mailman.3694.1095914666.1998.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org... I am trying to create a MULE input method for cyrillic characters that corresponds to de-facto standard russian keyboard layout in Windows. Looked into leim/quail/cyrillic.el and found weird string/character constants like ,L9FC:5=(B or ?,L9(B How could I know that the latter corresponds to cyrillic letter "" (unicode 0x0419)? Are there any tables? I have googled for MULE and found only MULE internal representation that is not appropriate here... Elisp manual is also keeping silence... -- WBR, Victor V. Snezhko EMail: snezhko@indorsoft.ru After you read the cyrillic.el source into a buffer does the mode line start with -u...? If not try C-x RET c and then utf-8. Then issue the following command: open "leim/quail/cyrillic.el" This assumes that you are using emacs for your editor, of course. Here is a piece of the cyrillic.el just for a check: ("C" ?,LF(B) ("Ch" ?,LG(B) ("CH" ?,LG(B) Oops! Forget about the above advice. Copypasting directly from emacs into Outlook Express via the clipboard produced the above. That coresponds with the following in unicode (utf-8). To get this I had to save ( using C-x RET f for visited file encoding) cyrillic.el to another subdirectory, then open that version in Word, from which I could copypaste into OE. I'm sure that if I were using Linux I could have avoided all this. Some Latin-Cyrillic transcription rules: ("C" ?Ц) ("Ch" ?Ч) ("CH" ?Ч) ("Sh" ?Ш) ("SH" ?Ш) ("Shch" ?Щ) ("SHCH" ?Щ) ("Sj" ?Щ) ("SJ" ?Щ) ("/Sht" ?Щ) ("/SHT" ?Щ) ("/T" ?Щ) ("~~" "Ъ") ("Y" ?Ы) ("''" "Ь") ("E'" ?Э) ("E`" ?Э) Apparently the lisp sources are in some emacs native encoding rather than in unicode. If you load the file into a buffer the mode line says: -J: .... Ed.