From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter S Galbraith Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Knoppix is not entirely free software Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:31:21 -0500 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <10969.1068921081@mixed> References: <17659.1068784236@mixed> <6629.1068841296@mixed> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1068921209 10920 80.91.224.253 (15 Nov 2003 18:33:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 15 19:33:23 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AL5EZ-0008PL-00 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:33:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AL6Ax-0006Yt-9B for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:33:43 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AL6AT-0006Ug-JI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:33:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AL69x-00067A-AO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:33:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [66.110.136.11] (helo=mixed.dyndns.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AL69w-00066O-NG; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:32:40 -0500 Original-Received: by mixed.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BAF2771A34; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:31:22 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mixed (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mixed.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B875B71A32; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:31:22 -0500 (EST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Message from Richard Stallman of "Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:37:45 EST." X-Mailer: MH-E 7.4.2+cvs; nmh 1.1-RC1; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 X-Image-URL: http://people.debian.org/~psg/face.png X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:14274 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:14274 Richard Stallman wrote: > So perhaps we were premature in removing support for g...... in MH-E > then. It was only one of many supported indexers. > > That wasn't premature--I asked you to remove that code. > > Unlike Netscape and Windows, G...... is a fairly obscure non-free > program, so just telling people it exists and what it does tends to > promote it. Moreover, desupporting it in Emacs could well encourage > people to switch to a free program that Emacs does support. Those are hard guidelines to follow since they are not exactly fair. > I wouldn't expect us to have much leverage convincing people to stop > using Windows or even Netscape by desupporting it in Emacs; even > Netscape probably has more users than Emacs does, and we would tend to > reduce usership of Emacs rather than that of Netscape. Meanwhile, > mentioning the option of using Netscape won't very often inform people > that Netscape exists, because they already know that. You could still plan on removing support when free alternatives are as good. While I used netscape on GNU/Linux as my only browser some years ago, I'm not even sure it's still available. There are more than a dozen gecko-based browsers now, and some work very well on Windows as well. On the other hand, I don't think we should slap netscape in the face considering that they donated a lot of the code that made this happen (through mozilla). Peter