From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ajanta Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:23:26 GMT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <101220021125583826%ajanta@no.spam> References: <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam> <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com> <061220020416350201%ajanta@no.spam> <061220021433180478%ajanta@no.spam> <5l3cpalpa1.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <84bs3xsyi8.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> <071220021155280606%ajanta@no.spam> <5ld6obj8il.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <091220021652087216%ajanta@no.spam> <5l1y4qj8mc.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1039541798 26941 80.91.224.249 (10 Dec 2002 17:36:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18LoJB-00070M-00 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:36:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18LoDA-0000tG-03 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:30:24 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.text.tex,gnu.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Thoth/1.5.10 (Carbon/OS X) Original-Lines: 33 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.37.176.120 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net Original-X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1039544606 ST000 67.37.176.120 (Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:23:26 CST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:23:26 CST X-UserInfo1: [[OQBYCDYBSWSRP[KBJVOFXBWR\HPCTL@XT^OBPLAH[\RYIBK^RAQFW[ML\THRCKV^GGZKJMGV^^_JSCFFUA_QXFGVSCYRPILH]TRVKC^LSN@DX_HCAFX__@J\DAJBVMY\ZWZCZLPA^MVH_P@\\EOMW\YSXHG__IJQY_@M[A[[AXQ_XDSTAR]\PG]NVAQUVM Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.sys.mac.apps:348502 gnu.emacs.help:107956 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4494 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4494 Stefan Monnier wrote: > The size of emacs/lisp/language is about 700KB here. Peanuts. >... > The amount of space used up by the other emacs/lisp/international features > (mostly support for various charsets) is less than 4MB. Not worth > the trouble. > ... > HD space is not expensive enough to justify wasting any time on this. First of all, thank you for all the help. Secondly, I do have a slightly different philosophical perspective on unneeded disk clutter, perhaps rooted in my familarity with the third world. You see, people in the 3rd world produce much less trash than say the US. And their urban poor actually "recycle" most of it. Yet, without systematic and uncompromising management, it still keeps adding up, and their cities are living hell compared to American cities that in fact generate a lot more garbage. The difference is in constant sorting and processing, of even the smallest piece of paper or plastic, shall we say of even a single peanut shell? :) In fact many 3rd world people show remarkably similar attitude: the Forest/River/Beach is so big and I am just throwing one candy wrapper, what's the big deal? To make a long story short I believe all programs should come with tools to minimize unnecessary clutter and also to safely and completely uninstall themselves if asked. A