From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Gene Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 18:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0cb7dc80-2e77-481c-9a4a-63f80e9c2a2d@googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527383012 21929 195.159.176.226 (27 May 2018 01:03:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 01:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 01:02:04 +0000 User-Agent: G2/1.0 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 27 03:03:28 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fMk5o-0005au-9m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 May 2018 03:03:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50556 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMk7t-0008Ho-Sw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 21:05:37 -0400 X-Received: by 2002:a37:a0c2:: with SMTP id j185-v6mr4533469qke.56.1527382924334; Sat, 26 May 2018 18:02:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a0c:d28f:: with SMTP id q15-v6mr149923qvh.4.1527382924149; Sat, 26 May 2018 18:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!x25-v6no2058795qto.0!news-out.google.com!p41-v6ni533qtp.1!nntp.google.com!x25-v6no2058793qto.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2604:6000:d481:9600:4c5d:9fb1:becc:8cb9; posting-account=xePGxQoAAAAgJalA5zaHmrGIX9Wk_gLW Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 2604:6000:d481:9600:4c5d:9fb1:becc:8cb9 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:222741 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116862 Archived-At: > On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 3:07:01 AM UTC-4, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:=20 >> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 04:27:12PM -0700, Gene wrote: >=20 >> U =3D No >> topia =3D place >=20 > that's Greek, afaik >=20 > ;-) Point taken ... and accepted along with the whole fertile field as yet addr= essed. The subjective experience at the heart of the complaint -- for both the pla= intiff and on behalf of one and all -- is non-free, unfree software used as= a form of hobble, constraint, or operational handicap ... as if the (im)pr= oprietary' suchness had a thing to do with the REAL, deeper issue; it doesn= 't. In this thread we've all been, with NO complaints thus far, (mis)using the = language of the English -- with it's draconian-yet-fickle-and-irregular ort= hography, grammar, subject-object metaphysics, lack of regular verbs, bulls= hit `standard' usage, etc, ad nausuem. Why not complain that `The Boss' wants all reports in ENGLISH -- rather tha= n German, Japanese, or Italian, which might have been the case had WWII tur= ned out different? Why not complain that deep-structural semantics are being obfuscated by a p= reference for ANY surface-structural so-called `natural' -- no less artific= ial or man-made than so-called `artificial' -- language such as English? The complaint underpinning this thread is too superficial; it floats among = the flotsam and jetsam with miles of DEPTH between it and the `bottom of th= ings'. Why not complain that `The Boss' doesn't accept William Whitaker's Words al= lowing one to use Latin ... or any app which allows one to craft words cons= istent with the rules for generating neologisms in Greek? Can we use the rules for crafting neologisms available to the users of Anci= ent Greek or Latin when (mis)using English ... when in many if not most Ang= lophone countries the use of neologisms and 3 consulting physicians can get= one sent off to the loony bin as if the crafting and use of neologisms wer= e sufficient evidence for a Schizophrenia charge-cum-diagnosis? We've got elisp for use via computational linguistics, but we've been pande= ring to the orthography, grammar, serial ticker tape of pandering-to-SOUND = glyphs of English? It's the non-free proprietariness of it all which seems insufferable ... as= we pander-to and bow-before the hegemony of the would-be `natural' languag= e arising more due to the caprice of which side won a world war than anythi= ng `rational'. How `rational' seems this? #+begin_src elisp (setq U=20 "No" Topia=20 "Place" hyphenated-neologism (mapconcat 'identity `(,U ,Topia) "-") ) #+end_src Given the functional paradigm, computational linguistics, and the elisp fun= ctions split-string and mapconcat, why do we hand craft `literal strings' r= ather than symbolic expressions which generate the superficial surface stru= ctures of whatever `natural language' `The Boss' demands? Why not transcend the proof-of-schizophrenia `neo'-ness of neologisms IN EN= GLISH -- but not Latin or Greek -- by going further up the meta stream by p= rogrammatically ensuring that ALL text was generated anew with every genera= tion of a side-effectual `report' pandering to whatever LANGUAGE `The Boss'= arbitrarily specifies? Ever so `rational' chemists can compose molecules from atoms and sub-assemb= lies of lower order molecules AND/OR exploit the inverse processes of decom= position. How `rational' does it seem to NOT be able to decompose a word into roots, = prefixes, and suffices but NOT cobble-together or synthesize new molecular = WORDS -- perhaps to a holophrastic scope and scale -- BECAUSE `standard usa= ge' and non conformance thereof may paint a target on one's back for target= ing by language Nazis in cahoots with those with more-equal-pig status with= a foot each in the Medical-Legal camps, in the metaphorical Animal Farm AK= A `Mother Culture', as we are subjugated into COMPLIANCE -- into going alon= g to get along -- while we bitch about ... what? How rational seems it to set the angle of the blinders/blinkers to tunnel v= ision settings which allows THIS to seem figural while we're using one of t= he most mind-hobbling `natural' languages in the world, to discuss somethin= g less irrational than the language we're misusing to fumble around in our = Universe of Discourse?