From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: C-p, C-b, C-f, and C-n... why? Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:40:23 +0100 Message-ID: <0bcf8e6b891934f30c52bb9af6221728@Web.DE> References: <1133329096.909577.80790@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11pmkm7sol448a9@corp.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134254490 32295 80.91.229.2 (10 Dec 2005 22:41:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 10 23:41:28 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElDOd-0000XL-9V for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:40:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElDP2-0005My-Kw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:41:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElDOi-0005Lr-KD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:40:56 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElDOh-0005La-25 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:40:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElDOg-0005LX-Vy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:40:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [217.72.192.209] (helo=smtp05.web.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ElDQ8-00029O-Bq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:42:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [84.245.174.179] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp05.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (WEB.DE 4.105 #340) id 1ElDOE-00032f-00; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:40:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: <11pmkm7sol448a9@corp.supernews.com> X-Image-Url: http://homepage.mac.com/sparifankal/.cv/thumbs/me.thumbnail Original-To: rodwriter@core.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Sender: Peter_Dyballa@web.de X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:31860 Archived-At: Am 10.12.2005 um 23:13 schrieb roodwriter@core.com: > I think the tutorial should start with the arrow keys and then give > the commands as options and the history behind them. > In (computer) history the arrow (cursor) keys came later ... and the tutorial is historically grown! I too prefer mostly the arrow keys (and mouse cursor). Their use is too obvious to mention them that early in the tutorial, mentioning them could be done in a footnote. The recent state is fine in one particular sense: M-up does not scroll back in *shell* buffer's command history (because it's undefined); only M-p does. So I think it's necessary to teach C-{b,f,n,p} first to remember this as a way "move" in many things, in many sense. -- Greetings Pete "What is this talk of 'release'? Klingons do not make software 'releases'. Our software 'escapes' leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake."