From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:16:59 +0900 Message-ID: <0D3378B6-0047-4E19-9F34-1047AED11F0A@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <7056BAE9-002B-46B7-A60A-9EDE375392EE@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <86FA8DD5-B87E-4E64-90C8-04AA81B9469A@Web.DE> <873aze3qtf.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <87y7h53mjp.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <87d4yhbxiw.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185340961 22080 80.91.229.12 (25 Jul 2007 05:22:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:22:41 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs Mailing List Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 25 07:22:39 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDZKZ-0000BB-Fb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:22:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDZKY-0007tU-T8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:22:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IDZHm-0007Bl-Cx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:19:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IDZHb-00072a-4e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:19:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDZHT-0006xb-V1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:19:28 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp8.tiki.ne.jp ([218.40.30.79]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IDZFK-0002OR-6c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:17:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.11.4] (pl415.nas933.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp [210.136.183.159]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp8.tiki.ne.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6P5H612073545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:17:07 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp) In-Reply-To: <87d4yhbxiw.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 5.3-5.4 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:46018 Archived-At: On 25 juil. 07, at 01:02, Pascal Bourguignon wrote: > Jean-Christophe Helary writes: > >> On 24 juil. 07, at 23:26, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: >> >>> () Jean-Christophe Helary >>> () Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:00:28 +0900 >>> >>> No because the people who pretend that there are technical >>> issues or that "it is impossible" do not make sense in the >>> first place. >>> >>> perhaps you misunderstand them (more than they misunderstand you). >> >> Pascal Bourguignon's replies are a good example of misunderstanding >> me: I am not talking about localizing the function names, which would >> definitely create a mess, but about localizing the interface, as >> Hadron very clearly put it. Or maybe Hadron is totally misunderstood >> too ? > > But you don't understand me! function names are a great part of the > interface of emacs. I never use the menu (first thing in my ~/.emacs > is (mapc (lambda (f) (funcall f -1)) > '(menu-bar-mode scroll-bar-mode tool-bar-mode)) > ). Command names (that is function names) are a big part of the my > interactive interface with emacs, thru M-x. I understand that you enjoy talking about your specific settings and how proficient you are at English and how everybody should be just as proficient as you so nobody would bother anybody with such silly requests as "localizing" (what a barbarous word!) such a wonderful application/language/whatever that is emacs in your eyes, but if you take some time off the mirror in which you find yourself so good at English, you'll notice that the real world is profoundly localized and that the cultural singularity that made computers and free software in the English speaking sphere is slowly fading away _thanks_ to the power of free software and its potential for computer literacy (and _not_ for English literacy). Since we are talking about languages, you should be aware that computer languages (lisp included) propose different ways to appreciate the computer culture and it would be very counterproductive to expect all computer users to "speak" only a minimum sub-set of one dialect of one language. It is just the same for natural languages. And since obviously English is not your native language you should be much more aware of that than native English users who obviously have no "need" for learning other languages since the world comes to them in English... Have fun in your function-name English ! Jean-Christophe Helary