From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs CC Mode's auto-newline facility: INFORMAL SURVEY RESULTS Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:42:08 +0000 Organization: muc.de e.V. -- private internet access Message-ID: <09ig4d.n6.ln@acm.acm> References: <9on63d.36.ln@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1114360804 2933 80.91.229.2 (24 Apr 2005 16:40:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 24 18:40:01 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DPk9D-0004PS-Gz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:39:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DPkEZ-0003uR-BZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:45:27 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!feed.news.tiscali.de!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help, comp.emacs.xemacs, comp.lang.java.softwaretools, comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.objective-c, comp.lang.awk, comp.lang.idl Original-Followup-To: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 61 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: acm.muc.de Original-X-Trace: marvin.muc.de 1114360689 30796 193.149.49.134 (24 Apr 2005 16:38:09 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news-admin@muc.de Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 2005 16:38:09 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.5-20010409 ("One More Nightmare") (UNIX) (Linux/2.0.35 (i686)) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:130431 comp.emacs.xemacs:77939 comp.lang.java.softwaretools:41790 comp.lang.c:693699 comp.lang.c++:823728 comp.lang.objective-c:24262 comp.lang.awk:30687 comp.lang.idl:2125 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:26002 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:26002 [Followup-To: set to gnu.emacs.help once again] In gnu.emacs.help Alan Mackenzie wrote: > To help direct the development of CC Mode, it would be useful to find > out how people use the auto-newline "minor mode" facility. If you > could spare a little time, would you answer these questions, please: A big thank you to all who responded, including another 7 who answered me by email. OK: Here are the results (Sometimes with a little necessary interpretation), with my comments. > o Do you program with auto-newline switched on (e.g. do you get NLs > inserted automatically after typing a `;' or `{')? Yes: 13 No: 6 Wow! Lots of people use auto-newline. Like some respondents, I can't stand it. It shows that we need it, and it needs to be optional. > o Did you configure this auto-newline setting yourself, and if not, are > you happy with it? Yes: 11 No: 4 No/Yes: 3 No/No: 0 Dumb double question there. Sorry. > o Are you aware of the key binding C-c C-a to toggle this mode on and > off? Yes: 6 No: 13 I counted someone who said "No, but I use the menu item" as a yes. > o How often do you use C-c C-a (or even C-c C-t) to toggle auto-newline > mode? Frequently: Seldomly: 4 Never: 14 Not a popular toggle. It would seem that most people either definitely want auto-newline or definitely don't want it. Very few seem to want to toggle it whilst editing; maybe because most people don't know it exists. > o In which language(s) (C, C++, ....) do you program in (X)Emacs? C: 14 C++: 14 Objective-C: 2 Java: 7 Pike: 0 IDL: 1 AWK: 0 Most (but not all) C hackers are also C++ hackers. It's good to see that Objective-C and IDL Modes are actually used. But where are the Pikers and Awkers? (We know that there's _at least_ one of each ;-). -- Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) Email: aacm@muuc.dee; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter (like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a").