From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <097ceb26-964c-4922-9485-6ed654822d9f@j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com> References: <089883ee-0a63-4cb4-a0ec-d2fe4e71cc03@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <87wruco5yq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wrubfd8p.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <848w6ndwn0.fsf@cs.bham.ac.uk> <87d3vx5cku.fsf@gmail.com> <87bpbcrdk5.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <4C17FE36.30102@thadlabs.com> <4C180D6B.9020508@thadlabs.com> <87hbl3u00h.fsf@unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291836086 1797 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 19:21:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:21:26 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 20:21:22 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQPZn-0006jD-BJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:21:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54412 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQPZm-00053k-I9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:21:18 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp Original-Lines: 53 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.180.85.8 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1276704889 17743 127.0.0.1 (16 Jun 2010 16:14:49 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.180.85.8; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/533.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/5.0.375.70 Safari/533.4, gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:179016 comp.emacs:100073 comp.lang.lisp:289260 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75876 Archived-At: On Jun 15, 8:30=A0pm, Evans Winner wrote: > ,------ Thad Floryan wrote ------ > | =A0 Your opinion which neither I nor 100,000s of others > | =A0 share -- you stand alone. > > Not alone. =A0I've read similar advice in the past. > > What I would like to try is a situation in which holding > down SPC and then hitting something else causes SPC to act > like Control. =A0But if nothing is hit along with SPC then it > sends a Space character on key-up. =A0Obviously this would > have the drawback that one could not get repeated spaces by > holding down the space key, but I would like to at least > experiment with it. =A0I don't know if it is possible to map > the keys that way, though. =A0I've looked into it a bit, but > not figured it out. > > Failing that, I do use Caps-Lock and Control swapped and > have for some time. =A0It doesn't seem terribly harmful to me. > The idea of palming the Control key is interesting, but it > seems as if it would require tiny hands to really do > comfortably. =A0For me, I do have to move my hands awkwardly > from the home row to do that, whereas I don't really have to > move from the home row to hit the key to the left of `A'. > Maybe it was all the piano playing back in the day, but my > fifth finger moves the slight bit sideways pretty fluently. whether you can use the palm edge to hit control key depends on your keyboard of course. On vast majority of generic PC keyboard, that can be trivially done, regardless if you have large or small hands. You can see picts of several keyboards here, including a generic PC one that's usually just $6. =95 Computer Keyboards Gallery http://xahlee.org/emacs/keyboards.html you can also see a pict and video of the Daz Keyboard, which follows the standard generic PC keyboard shape: =95 The Idiocy of Hacker Keyboards http://xahlee.org/emacs/keyboards_hacker_idiocy.html you can also see the classic IBM keyboard there with its huge Control key. it is so easy to hit with the palm. Just push down your palm and you hit it. Almost easier than pressing keys with index finger on the home row. Xah