Re: smtpmail-send-queued-mail fails with error 504 5.5.2

[rameiko87@posteo.net]

On 24.01.2024 10:07, Manuel Giraud wrote:
> 
>>> I've never touch 'message-user-fqdn' in years of doing mail into
>>> Emacs.
>>> 
>> 
>> But then your Message-Id is not RFC compliant? This is the reason why
>> I set it.
> 
> I've just checked and my "Message-Id"s look like
> <something>@ledu-giraud.fr.  So they seem to be correct and, as I said,
> I've never fiddled with 'message-user-fqdn'.
> 
>> The default address in the From: field is
>> usernameofmymachine@message-user-fqdn. This is already strange because
>> it should use 'user-mail-address' since message-user-fqdn is
>> explicitly reserved for Message-Id as the description of this variable
>> says. I guess this is the first question we need to answer.
> 
> Yes it shouldn't be "usernameofmymachine@message-user-fqdn".  It should
> be the value of 'user-mail-address'.  Could you try starting from 
> "emacs
> -Q", set 'user-mail-address' to what you want and 'M-x message-mail'?

I tried starting emacs as you suggested, and I can say that it shows no 
strange behaviour. Therefore there must be the following bug:

when user-mail-address is not set and therefore defaults to 
user@hostmachine (in my case user@fedora), as the description of the 
variable user-mail-address explicitly spells out, then the default email 
address qhen composing a new message somehow ignores this and uses 
user@message-user-fqdn (first thing to fix), which should instead only 
be reserved for message-id's (as the description of this variable says. 
Does it happen somewhere else too? this is the second thing to fix).

>> The second question is why the From header is ignored (from the
>> message as saved in 'queued email folder') when sending with
>> smtpmail-send-queued-mail. This is really worrisome!

This looks like another bug.

> 
> Yes, this is something else but I imagine that
> 'smtpmail-send-queued-mail' respect 'user-mail-address'.

so first of all, it probably does, in the sense that in my case it uses 
user@fedora, so message-user-fqdn does not intervene (silver lining). 
But it should use what I decided to set as header, not rewrite the 
headers without warning!

> 
>>  By the way because you ask, the reason why I change the From header
>>  is that I use a variety of different email addresses for the
>>  different affiliations which I have.
> 
> I do this too and it is just a matter of changing 'user-mail-address'
> and 'smtpmail-smtp-server'.

No, I don't want to change the variable every time!! I want to keep that 
variable for the default address, and change the headers as I need. And 
anyway, why this discrepancy between queued-sending and immediate 
sending? This I consider another bug, because not doing things 
consistently confuses the user (even not doing the *wrong* thing 
consistently confuses the user)
smtpmail-smtp-server can stay always the same because mine allows 
spoofing.

I think I will file a few bug reports today