From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ajanta Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Suggestion to BK Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 18:54:50 GMT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <070520031258469858%ajanta@no.spam> References: <39d9c156.0305042200.1639a252@posting.google.com> <39d9c156.0305060558.7cba26d9@posting.google.com> <060520031302215334%ajanta@no.spam> <39d9c156.0305070335.2808773d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052331416 1902 80.91.224.249 (7 May 2003 18:16:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 07 20:16:54 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19DTNn-0008M0-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2003 20:11:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19DTEJ-0002DJ-01 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2003 14:01:23 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.115.63.142!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.mac.apps Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Thoth/1.6.0 (Carbon/OS X) Original-Lines: 45 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.75.175.214 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net Original-X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1052333690 ST000 68.75.175.214 (Wed, 07 May 2003 13:54:50 CDT) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 13:54:50 CDT X-UserInfo1: Q[RGW^_D\BU[C_LXXJJL_RTDFZ\@@FXLM@TDOCQDJ@_@FNHBK^RAQFW[ML\THRCKV^GGZKJMGV^^_JSCFFUA_QXFGVSCYRPILH]TRVKC^LSN@DX_HCAFX__@J\DAJBVMY\ZWZCZLPA^MVH_P@\\EOMW\YSXHG__IJQY_@M[A[[AXQ_XDSTAR]\PG]NVAQUVM Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112902 comp.sys.mac.apps:360795 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9398 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9398 BK wrote: > Ajanta wrote in message > > Andrew Choi wrote: > > > > > So I'll not respond to his questions. People asking for help should > > > have basic manners. > > > > OTOH you may wish to also consider that threads like this are read and > > followed not just the original poster but also hundreds or even > > thousands of individuals, more if we count those who might access it on > > Google. Strong language used on the net is not always a personal attack > > on anyone, it is just to get attention in a crowded chaotic place. Just > > a thought. > > Thank you for making that point... The point that I made in this and other post was that people who perform public service should (1) expect all kind of reactions, (2) not take any of them personally, and (3) regard their answers as addressed not just to any specific questioner but to thousands of people who may read the thread over time. That is not meant as a defence of your choice of words or attitude. The most charitable take would be that you did not address them to a specific individual, were hoping to catch the attention of someone who is knowledgeable but otherwise uninvolved, and didn't expect that someone connected with the work would be reading you. However, all of us should remember that people who are interested enough in Macs/Emacs to work on such projects are also likely to be following these few newsgroups. Let me make a suggestion to you in three parts: (1) Back off from this debate. Don't argue or explain anymore. (2) Reflect on how defensive you are feeling when someone criticizes a post you probably spent no more than 15-20 minutes typing. Then think how your words may feel to someone who has worked on a project for weeks and months. (3) You may just have ended up with a "crippled" copy of Emacs, for whatever reason. So, download a fresh copy, read the manual, look at your own .emacs to see if *it* is crippling your Emacs. If there are still problems, make another post.