From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Can anybody tell me how to send HTML-format mail in gnus Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <0627b0d2-a959-4fe4-a868-f03e72aaafba@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> References: <877iav5s49.fsf@163.com> <86hc9yc5sj.fsf@timbral.net> <877iat7udd.fsf@163.com> <87fxphcsxi.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <8504ddd4-5e3b-4ed5-bf77-aa9cce81b59a@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <87k5esq2g2.fsf@atthis.clsnet.nl> <8663qcd7h3.fsf@timbral.net> <63cf9893-7704-4ceb-a1a0-7a549d57d05f@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <86ej4zedwf.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0a21d521-cbba-4dba-8792-89a042e2b1a3@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com> <86od43cox6.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218310938 12690 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2008 19:42:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:42:18 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 09 21:43:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KRuLB-0005KH-Gp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:43:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33600 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KRuKF-0003l9-Py for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:42:07 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!1g2000pre.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 95 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.97.120 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1218309486 31826 127.0.0.1 (9 Aug 2008 19:18:06 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 1g2000pre.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.97.120; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:161029 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56376 Archived-At: On Aug 8, 12:00 pm, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Xah wrote: > > X> On Aug 8, 8:15 am, Ted Zlatanov wrote:>> On Fri, 8= Aug 2008 05:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Xah wrote: > > X> Emacs is not a commercial app, so there's not much survival > X> pressure. It simply got dwindling users, more and more esoteric > X> =E2=80=9Celite=E2=80=9D tech geekers. > > > > >> Seriously, have some perspective. Emacs has been around since before > >> many of us were born. It's always been aimed at people who can read a > >> manual. That's a very exclusive club if you look at people in general= . > > X> well, unix's tools and =E2=80=9Cman=E2=80=9D is also used by a exclusi= ve club. Are you > X> suggesting emacs should adopt =E2=80=9Cman=E2=80=9D instead of info, a= nd replace elisp > X> by sed, awk, sh? > > No. You've merged two logical fallacies into one flawed argument. > > X> Seriously, read the man. > > You want quotes around "seriously" if you're starting a novel. It's a > decent opening. Otherwise, your sentence is nonsense. What's your point Ted? What is exactly your argument? Are you trying to say, that because emacs is very old, and it is designed for elite programers, therefore its email should not support html mail? Looks like from your previous post that's what you are trying to say. And if that is what you are trying to say, and you think that's a valid argument, then i think you are really stupid. Honest. I took it that it is not what you mean because you are not that stupid, and i took it that you posted that just to fuck with me. So i gave you the same about unix's tool and man. Do you see now? If you just want to play with words with me, i give you this poem to enjoy: chick a flirt, raging a cock, don't have it you? fuck off =E2=80=94Xah Lee, 2000-04 O wait, don't call the troll police yet. Perhaps you actually tried to express some fair argument, but just need me to dig it out? What is it Ted? Emacs is old therefore it should not support html mail? Emacs is for elite programers? and hterefore it should not support html mail? Help me out Ted. I really don't see what it is you are trying to say. O, perhaps, what you were trying to say was that emacs users are experienced hackers, and since most of these hackers hate html mail, therefore emacs should not support html mail? To save slipslop and back and forth exchange, let me assume that the last suggestion above is what you meant. So, you say: Dear Xah, emacs users are experienced hackers, and since most of these hackers hate html mail, therefore emacs should not support html mail. Ok. Thanks Ted for this thought. I'm not quite sure i agree. For example, if we say that emacs users are just tech geekers, well that could be because it has driven most other users away. So we are left with a very small clique of tech geekers as its users. But if we improve emacs's usability problems, or improve its functionality such as support sending html mail, then more =E2=80=9Caverage=E2=80=9D user will= come back. Also, let's look at the idea that emacs is designed for elite hackers. Actually, in the 1980s when emacs was developed, most computer users are all what you'd call elite hackers. There was no youtube, there's no comics on the web, there's no youporn, there was no stock ticks for businessmen, there was no ebay, no amazon, no blogs. There was hardly even word processors, spreadsheets, for business heads, and no MacDraw or MacPaint for artist types. Most, if not all, computer users are scientist and programers in the 1980s. Ok Ted? Please let me know what you think and i'll give you my feedback. Hey Ted, who are you anyway? Sometimes i wonder who's behind the email address in newsgroups. Chances are, if i knew what they looked like in real life, i wouldn't have bothered to respond. LOLz. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84