From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: M G Berberich Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: german quotes and mule Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:38:08 +0100 Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <05dh74-2hd.ln1@avaloon.forwiss.uni-passau.de> References: <1pna74-n7f.ln1@avaloon.forwiss.uni-passau.de> Reply-To: berberic@fmi.uni-passau.de NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1168512041 3604 80.91.229.12 (11 Jan 2007 10:40:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 11 11:40:38 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H4xMG-0007DR-GG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:40:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H4xMG-0007mT-5C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:40:32 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!avaloon.forwiss.uni-passau.de!news Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 83 Original-X-Trace: infosun2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de 1168508444 944 212.144.145.72 (11 Jan 2007 09:40:44 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news@news.uni-stuttgart.de Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:40:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl2 (Debian) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:144629 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:40234 Archived-At: On Tue, 09 Jan 2007, Reiner Steib wrote: > On Mon, Jan 08 2007, M G Berberich wrote: > >> Emacs does not use the existing glyphs from the normal font but >> substitutes some from other fonts, that are far too big and too >> wide. > [...] >> (please see ) > > Show us the output of M-x describe-cahr RET on both, the correct and > "too big" characters. Correct char: character: x (120, #o170, #x78) preferred charset: ascii (ASCII (ISO646 IRV)) code point: 0x78 syntax: w which means: word category: a:ASCII l:Latin r:Japanese roman buffer code: #x78 file code: not encodable by coding system utf-8 display: by this font (glyph code) bitstream vera sans mono:pixelsize=11:foundry=bitstream:weight=medium: slant=r:width=normal (#x5B) Too big characters: character: “ (8220, #o20034, #x201c) preferred charset: iso-8859-13 (ISO/IEC 8859/13) code point: 0xB4 syntax: . which means: punctuation category: c:Chinese h:Korean j:Japanese buffer code: #xE2 #x80 #x9C file code: #xE2 #x80 #x9C (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix) display: by this font (glyph code) -ISAS-Song ti-Medium-R-Normal--16-160-72-72-c-160-GB2312.1980-0 (#x2130) character: ‘ (8216, #o20030, #x2018) preferred charset: iso-8859-7 (ISO/IEC 8859/7) code point: 0xA1 syntax: . which means: punctuation category: c:Chinese h:Korean j:Japanese buffer code: #xE2 #x80 #x98 file code: #xE2 #x80 #x98 (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix) display: by this font (glyph code) -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--14-130-75-75-C-70-ISO10646-1 (#x2018) character: … (8230, #o20046, #x2026) preferred charset: chinese-gb2312 (GB2312 Chinese simplified: ISO-IR-58) code point: 0x212D syntax: _ which means: symbol category: c:Chinese h:Korean j:Japanese buffer code: #xE2 #x80 #xA6 file code: #xE2 #x80 #xA6 (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix) display: by this font (glyph code) -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--14-130-75-75-C-70-ISO10646-1 (#x2026) > Do the chars show up nicely if you start Emacs with... > emacs -Q -font "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14*-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1" > ... (or similar). (This should work for Emacs <= 22, not sure about 23.) I have to specify "--disable-font-backend" to make it accept X-font-descriptions, then it works. So this might mean it's a problem with the font-backend on the other hand emacs seems to thinks that german quotation-marks are "c:Chinese h:Korean j:Japanese" characters and are to be found in iso-8859-13 resp. iso-8859-7 and the ellipsis in chinese-gb2312. >> I'm using emacs-snapshot from 20061106 >> GNU Emacs 23.0.0.1 > > Please don't ask about unreleased version on comp.emacs or > gnu.emacs.help. Follow the advice in INSTALL.CVS instead: Sorry. MfG bmg -- "Des is völlig wurscht, was heut beschlos- | M G Berberich sen wird: I bin sowieso dagegn!" | berberic@fmi.uni-passau.de (SPD-Stadtrat Kurt Schindler; Regensburg) | www.fmi.uni-passau.de/~berberic