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Subject: Re: Anyone know where to find Weinreb's thesis? - Not in MIT catalog - (January 1979) A Real-Time Display-Oriented Editor for the Lisp Machine. -- How Zwei works Internally
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:41:24 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
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It is strange that when MIT catalog is searched for Weinreb, only ONE
result appears, not even his B.S. Thesis title.
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Author LinkWeinreb, Daniel.
Title Flavors, message passing in the Lisp Machine / Daniel
Weinreb, David Moon.
Shelf Access Find it in the library/Request item
Shelf Location Institute Archives - Noncirculating Collection 3 |
Q335.M41.A794 no.602
Published Cambridge, Mass. : Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, 1980.
Description 32 p. ; 28 cm.
Series LinkAI memo ; 602.
Format Book
Note Includes index.
Funding Information Advanced Research Projects Agency, Dept. of
Defense, ONR.: N00014-80-C-0505
Other Author LinkMoon, David.
Additional Title LinkThe Lisp Machine, Message passing in.
Local System Number 000168706
On Oct 27, 4:36 pm, gnuist...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 27, 1:24 pm, gnuist...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> > On Sep 8, 3:25 am, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > DanielWeinrebDied ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer)http://ergoemacs.org/misc/Daniel_Weinreb_died.html
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> > > plain text version follows
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> > > ------------------------------
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> > > DanielWeinrebdied today. Cancer. Aged 53. (≈1959 ~ 2012-09-07).
> > > Obituary athttp://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?page=lifes...
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> > > Danielfrequently use comp.lang.lisp. Since about 2007, i became
> > > acquainted with him, because he responded to some of my lisp
> > > criticisms. Subsequently i learned of his status in the lisp
> > > community. Later have exchanged a couple email with him. I didn't know
> > > he had cancer. Don't think he ever blogged about his illness.
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> > > DanielWeinrebused Emacs before Richard Stallman, and is a co-founder
> > > of Symbolics, a lisp company during 1980s.
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> > > He told me about how emacs keybinding started.
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> > > Source groups.google.com.
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> > > From:DanielWeinreb〔d...@alum.mit.edu〕
> > > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
> > > Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp
> > > Subject: Re: effective emacs
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> > > xah...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > │ Effective Emacs
> > > │
> > > │ (Long term emacs productivity tips.)
> > > │
> > > │ Xah Lee, 2008-05-29
> > > │
> > > │ I have used emacs daily since 1998. Typically, i spent several
> > > hours
> > > │ inside emacs, everyday, for the past 10 years.
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> > > Same for me, except the year is 1977. Nobody has been using Emacs
> > > longer than I have (I was one of the original beta-testers. I
> > > refer
> > > here to the original Emacs, written in ITS TECO for the DEC 10.)
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> > > │ Emacs's default cursor moving shortcuts are “Ctrl+f”, “Ctrl+b”,
> > > “Ctrl
> > > │ +n”, “Ctrl+p”. The keys f, b, n, p are scattered around the
> > > keyboard
> > > │ and are not under the home row.
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> > > That's true. At the time Guy Steele put together the Emacs
> > > default
> > > key mappings, many people in the target user community (about 20
> > > people at MIT!) were already using these key bindings. It would
> > > have been hard to get the new Emacs bindings accepted by the
> > > community if they differed for such basic commands. As you point
> > > out, anyone using Emacs can very easily change this based on
> > > their own ergonomic preferences.
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> > > │ GOOD
> > > │ Microsoft Natural Multimedia keyboard
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> > > Let me put in a quick plug for my own favorite keyboard, which
> > > I am using right now: the Unicomp Customizer:
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> > > http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html
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> > > I like the feel of the keys very much. I agree with you
> > > that it's important, and worth some effort, for everyone
> > > to find a keyboard that they feel most comfortable with.
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> > > │ Problem and Why Emacs's Keyboard Shortcuts Are Painful.
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> > > I generally make few customizations to the key bindings, so
> > > that when I work with another programmer, I can turn the
> > > keyboard over to them and not cause confusion.
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> > > │ Steve advices users to “Lose the UI”.
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> > > I rarely use the menu bar. On the other hand, I was raised on an
> > > Emacs that didn't have a menu bar, so I could be atypical. Using
> > > the mouse to set point or set the region is great, though, and I
> > > use that a lot.
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> > > Here's another piece of historical trivia. The Emacs keyboard
> > > macro feature was inspired by a similar feature in the Stanford
> > > DRAW system, an electrical CAD system widely-used by the AI lab
> > > hardware hackers at the time. It was very powerful. But if you
> > > made a mistake, it could really destroy your design, and so it
> > > was a good idea to save to disk before running it. We had a
> > > saying
> > > for what happened if you forgot to save: "A moment of convenience,
> > > a lifetime of regret." This predates the widespread use of "Undo"
> > > functionality, surely one of the best ideas for user interfaces
> > > ever invented.
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> > > -- Dan
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> > > Danielis a co-founder of the lisp company Symbolics. Sometimes, you
> > > can see he speaks out on lisp history. Here's one: 〔Rebuttal to
> > > Stallman's Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI 2007-11-11
> > > ByDanielWeinreb. @ danweinreb.org (local copy
> > > Daniel_Weinreb_rebuttal_to_stallmans_story.txt)〕
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> > > Danielalso wrote a version of emacs. EINE (EINE Is Not Emacs). Here's
> > > quote from Wikipedia:
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> > > EINE (a recursive acronym standing for “EINE Is Not Emacs”) was
> > > the Emacs text editor for Lisp machines. It was developed byDanielWeinreband Mike McMahon in the late 1970s, with a command set the
> > > same as the original Emacs written in TECO by Richard Stallman. It
> > > would later be developed into ZWEI ( “ZWEI Was Eine Initially”), which
> > > itself would eventually become Symbolics' Zmacs (integrated into
> > > Symbolics' development for their Lisp machines, Genera). It was the
> > > second Emacs written, and the first to be written in Lisp.
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> > > (for some emacs history, see: GNU Emacs and XEmacs Schism, by Ben
> > > Wing.)
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> > > On occasion i criticized lisp's cons,Danielgently nudged me to give
> > > detail. See: Programing Language: A Ruby Illustration of Lisp
> > > Problems.
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> > > DanielWeinrebhimself have criticized Common Lisp. See: Common Lisp
> > > Sucks.
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> > > One of the popular article Dan has written is a comparison of Common
> > > Lisp implementations. 〔Common Lisp Implementations: A Survey
> > > 2007-12-20 ByDanielWeinreb. @ Source common-lisp.net〕
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> > > When he announced that on comp.lang.lisp, i recommended the page be
> > > broken to sub-pages, and other formatting issues. See: Monolithic Web
> > > Pages. He didn't take it to heart. (and i regret my tone in the
> > > criticism)
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> > > DanielWeinrebis also mentioned in the acknowledgement section in The
> > > UNIX-HATERS Handbook. (see the PDF file at The Unix Pestilence.)
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> > > Dan's blog is at.http://danweinreb.org/blog/Lastentryis just 2
> > > days ago, where he talks about learning French.
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> > > I feel sad that Dan is gone.
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> > > Xah
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> > Its very sad to hear that he has passed away.
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> > Perhaps, the best we can do to keep his legacy is to make sure all of
> > the surviving works of this student of lisp are put online and made
> > available to the coming generations.
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> > Here are his publications that I cant find anywhere on the internet.
> > Xah, it seems that you might have a copy as you were a close friend
> > and found out about his passing before any of us. What kind of cancer
> > was he suffering from?
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> > Lisp Machine Zwei
> > *Weinreb, Daniel L. & Moon, David (January 1979) The Lisp Machine
> > Manual.
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> > Cambridge, Massachusetts: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. --
> > The user interface for Zwei.
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> > ibid. (January 1979) A Real-Time Display-Oriented Editor for the Lisp
> > Machine. Cambridge, Massachusetts: S.B. Thesis, MIT Electrical
> > Engineering and Computer Science Department. -- How Zwei works
> > internally.
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> > I would be very much interested in his BS thesis. Who has a copy of
> > it? You? Stallman? MIT CS department? MIT depository?
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> > Maybe someone can pass this on to the Computer museum in Northern
> > California or Herbert Stoyan who did extensive work on the Lisp or the
> > Lucid people.
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> > Regards,
> > Gnuist
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-10-27 23:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-09-08 10:25 Daniel Weinreb Died ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer) Xah Lee
2012-09-09 20:08 ` RG
2012-09-10 3:08 ` serendipitous_sam
2012-10-27 20:24 ` gnuist007
2012-10-27 21:48 ` Cortez
2012-10-27 21:59 ` Cortez
2012-10-27 23:36 ` Anyone know where to find Weinreb's thesis? - Not in MIT catalog - (January 1979) A Real-Time Display-Oriented Editor for the Lisp Machine. -- How Zwei works Internally gnuist007
2012-10-27 23:41 ` gnuist007 [this message]
2012-11-03 22:13 ` Daniel Weinreb Died ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer) Rivka Miller
2012-11-06 23:55 ` Xah Lee
2012-11-07 16:43 ` Barry Margolin
2012-11-07 2:21 ` WJ
2012-11-07 19:50 ` WJ
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