From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ken Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:38:33 -0500 Message-ID: <04bf3722-f737-8b7f-5557-24342f40e2c4@mousecar.com> References: <87r1llsuxq.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <0e37cf97-b9ee-e3af-16e3-3a312c47e75f@yandex.ru> <329d68a5edb1128c1e5b@heytings.org> Reply-To: gebser@mousecar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35601"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 16 13:41:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lBzfC-0009Av-C7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:41:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50240 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBzfB-0001GL-Eg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:41:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51430) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBzct-0000Bp-An for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:38:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.196]:49245) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBzcp-00054Q-RY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:38:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.0.17] ([96.27.75.237]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus002 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M7qkg-1m76Po45vE-00vOtC for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:38:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:4JiE95ltXFOkTw0PKT/VdhnpwNdXLTVhHAR1ubDBXD8V0RA/ems TI2CFzLCWK1H2LE72cK2rtrFIji30ck723iVNH43pO9Sp/auON5diL86omxioKtTD+lkSbk tFTutMWAamE6pyRstvs85T0XntuE4BND8t6Q7gbZ/smOQLUmEEsA43+M6yt4944khuEyrjn 6XuMggaLXisPRhwykVxwQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:KwcbWv2IU8w=:Lst3McntGS1Vf0XZsplUX6 4IZXP0KkkWWgd7DDUGBz/SzpDwZhbrI+db04+m2t8+P5fiWxhs6bDVXHSLg8lIkaS0gGkGuVq EyVcgsaemgZVm2Xj/f8UKn/qj6bdFKQ0NCmJeIrNDK1RXSzdsPkxsuA+1SqE9IOn2snL4N2AW lPn+B/qU/FE7ycQVLk5OaMkKOhhp1tCMtYPdBK6VpRuQLHqAtGO4wQTHri+eWhhvtRL9OGhuk QB3Xj53rYqAL6iJ8kDQ90Ho3hpymjt9zkL4NjwK7KIEttDqEBWOg26AG41SfbiFojZkK9PIPq a9vJ2iwnzdydzrZdtUNWbLd7WxuPYlT7WVX/YHR68kflr3r7iqKRuqkhvr+3xhAuG+GACcJVF cIUG2AcdPiqYQmDF8nZa/urdE9nyETwZdJVII6NoLkNEBs2rjLMJnpQPl2yYCin/dLtdgtiVb 0PR66/IlSQ== Received-SPF: none client-ip=74.208.4.196; envelope-from=gebser@mousecar.com; helo=mout.perfora.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128118 Archived-At: On 02/12/2021 04:05 PM, Howard Melman wrote: > I was proposing to leave the binding of C-z in terminal > emacs to be a suspend function and just change it in the GUI. This would break a lot of things unnecessarily. For one, any code a user has written which functions fine in his/her gui would fail if one day it was used in emacs invoked in a terminal. ... also if someone wanted to test emacs code outside any possible effect of the window manager. How would that be done? ... people would also need to write separate or additional code for functions running in a gui or in a terminal. And there would certainly arise instances where people on this list would be trying to help a user with a problem which would be confounded by whether the user was in a terminal or in a gui. There are times when I simply want to suspend (minimize) an emacs frame in the gui and so use C-z to do that. I can't believe I'm the only emacs human doing that. One of the many wonderful things about emacs is that it's platform independent. Let's not sacrifice that.