From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philipp Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Which Elisp types are mutable? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 14:11:04 +0200 Message-ID: <0404DE66-DD17-41F2-B6CC-EC06937CD152@gmail.com> References: <87h7ifa932.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.80.0.2.43\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28606"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Help Gnu Emacs mailing list To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 03 14:11:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lomCK-0007FZ-0Z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 14:11:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53248 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lomCJ-0004nP-1y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 08:11:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55384) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lomBu-0004lt-GF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 08:11:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ej1-x62c.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::62c]:43000) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lomBo-0008Ln-Df for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 08:11:14 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ej1-x62c.google.com with SMTP id k25so3374744eja.9 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 05:11:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=1t6Q0vNr7vQTbIxTtOIbXtVIGG7QHrYI39+/IGmeQXo=; b=bVmNAbrY4vew1ZT1hhRMfUMTDE6xwZ5ZbvMO4uWWnLqVK4vFTLo9btCnFLy/LSzePN /8BGK9JDPUu84zqpnPEg8UZFFpqRhY06VEW/PwVFFrsqtRH15twrKFGaeloEr5E1FRyv QGsPRrz0yaPuKQaII9R9eghnu6gojIJ0vS/WQ0lRDqGbFArnZqnEcqVFPVXe/eDFRA9J bHc/vr16euf5KOEHO83BOGfWcnW0bGjjEHWl+HA+JePlVJfji6ZF29epgdi+sMNE6O2G ccFGvd+wXAzAKZm0YxSvKCbJDdMnTuEraIpoayCo+PrD59JWtXePOZYf25BjPJglb+Lx DHLA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=1t6Q0vNr7vQTbIxTtOIbXtVIGG7QHrYI39+/IGmeQXo=; b=WwkBP/LgwVEmIMaxEmtzLLAJViI2wPvz3Uk7zSnV2Qsw95tatJIvWX738sz0XL3Pnz SB+MGDfvR2Mv0qwDI6aYnQLO3eV6S+gLqIqUhgT/g2yx8huqvufprg1HTZ25cw30lQG4 d1OHOehBH8IXvn9j4ZW8jsPr3r7JkgiJBbZAwOkaurmbbyAId7R3xOLp+ppYbC6XwwP8 e4IoZLelsSlK0GRKsdV+T6zm9THmboVbyrVukNdZ4l2t8B8v3V6hRdOPGEHm4A0SzO+3 wX7mo0x4dXWyYq3KwgWCJuQXUrfx8UfUkh18l/gOP9EDVsUSO0QlQ0KN3+qSG1ZurOjM yNvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531zmGPrJCUsqextiVqFb0c4DpojrEAq6CtQYQWmT/fjfpZE7Xed VaFAzzHz3fWbbtTerj2ZzdI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz5bb6wNaeM9+hDPdRLdc3007TeoAlVGv5gP8tbHMpVBNu/9GIbCsDLIFAEdEcCiZC8iozaWg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:3b87:: with SMTP id u7mr5041099ejf.548.1622722265699; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 05:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from smtpclient.apple ([46.128.198.100]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l8sm1668453eds.79.2021.06.03.05.11.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Jun 2021 05:11:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87h7ifa932.fsf@mbork.pl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::62c; envelope-from=p.stephani2@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x62c.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130529 Archived-At: > Am 03.06.2021 um 06:03 schrieb Marcin Borkowski : >=20 > Well, the subject says it all. I could find an explicit, = comprehensive > list of mutable (or immutable) types in the Elisp manual. Is it there > somewhere? Mutability is a property of objects, not types. Some objects (numbers) are always immutable, others (markers, buffers, = ...) are always mutable. But objects of most "interesting" types = (strings, lists, vectors, symbols) can be either mutable or immutable. Some time ago, I filed = https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D43557 to document which = objects are mutable, but unfortunately it's not yet fixed.=