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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: RE: info-find-source
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 16:04:13 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0391c817-8c86-4ae5-a774-3d4118d8c9ed@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86mv18z4xp.fsf@zoho.com>

> OK, so it is the *.info files* that one is
> disencouraged from editing? Well yeah, why
> would you do that?!

Quick correction/annotation/addition to one's
own copy of a manual.

Versus re-creating lots of stuff (after having
installed `makeinfo', if it's not installed
locally).

The existence of `makeinfo' does not obviate
the usefulness of `Info-edit'.

> The "by hand" phrasing is where the confusion
> begins because it seems to imply there is
> a better way to "edit" them. But to me it seems
> totally backward to edit the result of
> compilation

When that result is human-readable text it's
not a big deal to edit it.  Of course, if
you want the change to be reflected more
globally or to be shared etc. then you want
to only modify Texinfo source and generate
Info output.

You yourself argued for using *.info files in
plain editing mode (e.g. after `C-x n w').
Something like `Info-edit' is nowhere near as
extreme as that.  It's used for simple, quick
one-off changes or additions.

One doesn't have to argue _against_ generating
Info from Texinfo to see some utility in a 
command such as `Info-edit'.  Granted, that
utility is limited, and most people have never
even heard of it.  But that's not the same as
saying that it has no raison d'etre.
____

I mentioned that Info+ has a command,
`Info-merge-subnodes', for creating a
plain-text, prettified merge of Info nodes
(even a whole manual, but more typically a
section of a manual, however small).

Such a flat buffer can be useful sometimes
(e.g., plain-text printing, some kinds of
searching, sending excerpts), but I wouldn't
argue that `Info-merge-subnodes' is a _super_
useful command.  Some commands have limited
usefulness and use cases.  `Info-edit', like
`Info-merge-subnodes' is one such.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-21  0:04 UTC|newest]

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2018-01-13  0:43 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13  3:43   ` info-find-source Robert Thorpe
2018-01-13  5:23     ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13 16:31       ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-14  7:03         ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-16 23:10           ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-13 15:50     ` info-find-source Drew Adams
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2018-01-14  2:57       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-14  7:00         ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15  4:17           ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:54             ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15 19:55               ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-16 23:58                 ` info-find-source Robert Thorpe
2018-01-19  6:22                 ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-19  7:12                   ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-19 20:31                     ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-19 21:05                       ` info-find-source Drew Adams
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2018-01-19 22:19                         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-19 23:21                           ` info-find-source Drew Adams
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2018-01-20 19:49                             ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-20 20:18                               ` info-find-source Eli Zaretskii
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2018-01-20 23:50                                 ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-21  0:04                               ` Drew Adams [this message]
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2018-01-21 11:49                                 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-19 20:43                       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13  5:17   ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-14  2:54     ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:52       ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15 19:50         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2020-11-01 16:08 bounds-of-thing-at-point for paragraphs Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 18:22 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 18:34   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 18:45     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 18:52       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 19:00         ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:07           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:06             ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 22:36               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:47                 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 22:52                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 23:14                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-02  1:07                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-02  4:09                         ` Robert Thorpe
2020-11-02 15:41                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-03  6:00                             ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-03  6:40                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-03  7:41                                 ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-03 16:07                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-06 23:45                                     ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-07  1:26                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-02  6:07                     ` finder-commentary Jean Louis
2020-11-02 15:48                       ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-02 16:02                         ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-02 16:58                           ` finder-commentary Jean Louis
2020-11-02 17:27                             ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-01 22:49                 ` RE: RE: bounds-of-thing-at-point for paragraphs Jean Louis
2020-11-01 22:51                 ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 23:10                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-02  1:05                     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:36           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 21:32             ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-01 21:43               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 21:43               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 19:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 19:51           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 20:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 20:09               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 20:13                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 20:27                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-01 20:31                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:10                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-01 21:46             ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:23           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-01 20:29             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:10               ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 21:01             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-01 18:45     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 18:51       ` Drew Adams
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2018-12-04  9:04 ` using setq to create lists based on other lists Barry Margolin
2018-12-04 13:56   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-05  1:07   ` Robert Thorpe
2018-12-05  2:32     ` Drew Adams
2018-12-05  6:45       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-05  8:00         ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-12-05  8:11           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-05 14:57         ` Drew Adams
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2018-12-05 16:59           ` Barry Margolin
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2018-12-05 16:50       ` Barry Margolin
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2018-01-13  3:57 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-14 22:30   ` info-find-source Bob Proulx
2018-01-15  4:33     ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-20 17:37       ` info-find-source Bob Proulx
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2018-01-12 20:36           ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-12 21:24               ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-13  3:29                     ` info-find-source Kaushal Modi
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2018-01-13  3:55                       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-14  7:20                           ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13  7:46                     ` info-find-source tomas
2018-01-13  8:10                       ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13  8:22                         ` info-find-source Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-13 11:36                           ` info-find-source tomas
2018-01-13 11:59                             ` info-find-source Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-13 12:14                               ` info-find-source tomas
2018-01-13 15:33                                 ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13 14:20                         ` info-find-source Kaushal Modi
2018-01-13 15:30                           ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13 16:31                       ` info-find-source Drew Adams
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2018-01-14  7:17                         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:42                           ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15 19:38                             ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13 15:47                     ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-13 16:04                       ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13 21:33                         ` info-find-source Bob Proulx
2018-01-14  0:52                           ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-14  1:18                             ` info-find-source Bob Proulx
2018-01-14  6:55                           ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-14  9:12                             ` info-find-source tomas
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2018-01-15  2:03                             ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-15  0:47                         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15  0:57                           ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:53                             ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15 19:51                               ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:48                           ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
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2018-01-15 19:46                             ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-16 13:45                               ` info-find-source Stefan Monnier
2018-01-16 15:28                                 ` info-find-source tomas
2018-01-16 19:59                                 ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-17  0:13                               ` info-find-source Robert Thorpe
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2018-01-17  2:41                                 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
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2018-01-14  8:42                       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-12 23:57             ` info-find-source Robert Thorpe
2016-08-03  9:30 How to get back to a place in a buffer, or: what is a window configuration? Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 11:25 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-08-03 18:31   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 14:42 ` Drew Adams
2016-08-03 18:42   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 19:39     ` Drew Adams
2016-08-03 21:47 ` Robert Thorpe
2016-08-03 22:06   ` Drew Adams
2016-05-13 14:20 Overriding emacs key bindings xiongtk
2016-05-16 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-16 21:15   ` xiongtk
2016-05-16 18:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-16 21:14   ` xiongtk
2016-05-16 23:29     ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  1:55       ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  2:41         ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:07           ` Drew Adams
2016-05-17  3:25         ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-17  4:07           ` Drew Adams
2016-05-17  4:15           ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17 20:38           ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  4:07         ` Drew Adams
2016-05-18  1:42           ` Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings) Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18  4:38             ` Drew Adams
2016-05-18  5:22               ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18  5:36                 ` "First line is not a complete sentence" (was: Re: Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings)) Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.40.1463549841.6543.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-05-18 13:27                   ` Joost Kremers
2016-05-19  4:32                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]             ` <mailman.37.1463546355.6543.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-05-18 14:31               ` Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings) Barry Margolin
2016-05-19  4:38                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:44         ` Overriding emacs key bindings Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-17 20:37           ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-18  2:21             ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18 20:34               ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-19  1:33                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18 17:52             ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18 20:30               ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  4:43       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18  1:51         ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:49       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18  2:02         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-03  0:47 Opening a bookmark in the init file Robert Thorpe
2015-03-03  0:56 ` Drew Adams
2015-03-03  2:32   ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 19:18     ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 21:24       ` Drew Adams
2015-03-08 21:48         ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 22:52           ` Drew Adams
2015-01-14 22:12 Info: how to get back from a footnote Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-15  2:42 ` Robert Thorpe
2015-01-15  3:11   ` Drew Adams
2015-01-15  5:51   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-16  2:38     ` Robert Thorpe
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2014-12-29  4:21 ` Abbrevs for the most frequent elisp symbols Emanuel Berg
2014-12-29 11:24   ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-12-29 13:09     ` Robert Thorpe
2014-12-29 15:28       ` Drew Adams
2014-12-29 16:28         ` Robert Thorpe
2014-12-29 13:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 13:40       ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-12-29 14:57         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 15:49   ` Tom
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2015-01-03  2:25     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-01-04  0:19       ` Artur Malabarba
     [not found]       ` <mailman.17204.1420330787.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-01-05 21:16         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-01-08 20:53           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-03  2:31     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-11-24 16:40 When do you prefer frames instead of windows? Raffaele Ricciardi
2014-11-24 17:20 ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  8:03   ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2014-11-25 15:46     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 15:54       ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2014-11-25  8:33   ` When do you prefer windows instead of frames? Was: " H. Dieter Wilhelm
2014-11-25 15:46     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 18:40       ` MBR
2014-11-25 18:52         ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26  2:31         ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-19 16:08         ` Jude DaShiell
2014-11-25  8:52   ` Rainer M Krug
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2014-11-24 17:47   ` Barry Margolin
2014-11-24 18:06     ` Jai Dayal
2014-11-25 17:32   ` Joost Kremers
     [not found]   ` <<slrnm79f8k.a37.joost.m.kremers@j.kremers4.news.arnhem.chello.nl>
2014-11-25 18:09     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-24 19:10 ` MBR
2014-11-24 19:14   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-24 22:12 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
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2014-11-25  0:59   ` Barry Margolin
2014-11-25  1:29 ` Robert Thorpe
2014-11-25  4:21   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  8:54     ` Rainer M Krug
2014-11-25 15:47       ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  1:45 ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-25  9:27 ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 15:47   ` Drew Adams
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2014-11-25 15:57     ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 16:57       ` Drew Adams
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2014-11-25 17:16         ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 18:09           ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 22:08             ` Subhan Michael Tindall
2014-11-25 22:22               ` Drew Adams
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2014-11-26  9:34               ` Joost Kremers
2014-11-25 22:02           ` Subhan Michael Tindall
2014-11-26  5:02       ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-25 22:28 ` Bob Proulx
2014-11-25 22:54   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26  8:12     ` Alan Schmitt
2014-11-26 13:42       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2014-11-28 13:51       ` Tom Davey
2014-11-28 15:39         ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26 16:37 ` Ken Goldman
2014-11-27 21:02 ` Chris F.A. Johnson
2014-07-23 21:37 when you gotta have a variable value for a symbol name Buchs, Kevin J.
2014-07-23 22:02 ` Drew Adams
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