From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Elena Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 05:10:48 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <038dfa58-3e80-4c49-bbd0-c1bbb16c41f1@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> References: <4D0F4058.6050101@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292938849 23267 80.91.229.12 (21 Dec 2010 13:40:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:40:49 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 21 14:40:45 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PV2SJ-0007L9-Pd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:40:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36922 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PV2SJ-0006YG-97 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:40:43 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 29 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.96.190.244 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1292937048 31531 127.0.0.1 (21 Dec 2010 13:10:48 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.96.190.244; posting-account=AFCLjAoAAABJAOf_HjgEEEi3ty-lG5m2 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101203 Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:183481 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77721 Archived-At: On Dec 21, 12:00=A0pm, Rajinder Yadav wrote: > i've never had the need to create a makefile or edit one by hand when i > code using visualstudio, all i care about is coding my project in C++ > and getting on with life. You don't know what a professional IDE is then, and why Emacs isn't up to the task. If you are doing professional C++ development, then you are tweaking your project settings all the time. The VC++ Project Settings dialog is just a wrapper on top of a "Makefile" kind-of generator. What VC++ does that Emacs doesn't is setting default values which work unless you have special requirements. That's why you felt that all you had to care about was coding your project in C++. Development in Emacs does not give such luxury. > i love ruby on rails hacking, i love doing everything from the command > line, it's more faster and efficient coding a rails app when compared to > doing it with netbeans + ide, or whatever IDE is out there! Obviously, for hobbyists, an IDE is overkill. I'd really like this madness of recommending Emacs as an IDE to stop. When programmers hadn't anything better than an editor and/or programs were simpler, that made sense. It doesn't make sense anymore. Again, this is not a fault of Emacs developers: they are not "selling" Emacs as an IDE, over-enthusiastic user are doing that. Such users are pushing Emacs way beyond what it can handle.