Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

[Kiran]

I just did an "archive install" type of upgrade from 10.3 panther to
10.4 tiger. Many questions:

1. Carbon Emacs breaks. I use it a lot, Any solution?

2. The x11 that came with tiger also doesn't work (icon bounces once
and quits). Any ideas?

3. My home folder, applications I had placed on /MyApps, fink stuff in
/sw etc are of course untouched. What do I need to save from previous
system before I can trash the folder? All I can thibk of is /usr/local.
Anything else?

Thanks

Re: Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

[Shawn Hirn]

In article <021020050125425820%kiran@no.email>, Kiran <kiran@no.email> 
wrote:

> I just did an "archive install" type of upgrade from 10.3 panther to
> 10.4 tiger. Many questions:
> 
> 1. Carbon Emacs breaks. I use it a lot, Any solution?

Check to see if a more recent version is available, and if so,
install it.

> 2. The x11 that came with tiger also doesn't work (icon bounces once
> and quits). Any ideas?

It works fine for me. Did you install the update to get to 10.4.2? 
Perhaps if you do the updates, X11 may work.

> 3. My home folder, applications I had placed on /MyApps, fink stuff in
> /sw etc are of course untouched. What do I need to save from previous
> system before I can trash the folder? All I can thibk of is /usr/local.
> Anything else? 

What software do you use?

Re: Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

[Alwyn]

In article <021020050125425820%kiran@no.email>, Kiran <kiran@no.email> 
wrote:

> I just did an "archive install" type of upgrade from 10.3 panther to
> 10.4 tiger. Many questions:
> 
> 1. Carbon Emacs breaks. I use it a lot, Any solution?

You want to download this:
<http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/carbonemacspackag
e.html>

> 2. The x11 that came with tiger also doesn't work (icon bounces once
> and quits). Any ideas?

Start up Console and see what X11 has written to the log before it quit. 
That may give you some idea what's going wrong.

> 3. My home folder, applications I had placed on /MyApps, fink stuff in
> /sw etc are of course untouched. What do I need to save from previous
> system before I can trash the folder? All I can thibk of is /usr/local.
> Anything else?

I think I would get rid of the Fink stuff, if I were you, and start 
again from scratch. Some of the Panther binaries will be compatible with 
Tiger and others not. In any case, you will need to upgrade Fink itself.


Alwyn

Re: Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

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Re: Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

[John B. Matthews]

In article <srhi-543B08.06435902102005@news.giganews.com>,
 Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

> In article <021020050125425820%kiran@no.email>, Kiran <kiran@no.email> 
> wrote:
> [...]
> > 2. The x11 that came with tiger also doesn't work (icon bounces once
> > and quits). Any ideas?
> 
> It works fine for me. Did you install the update to get to 10.4.2? 
> Perhaps if you do the updates, X11 may work.
> [...]

I had a similar experience with an old X11. Installing the one on the 
Tiger Install CD solved the problem.

-- 
John
jmatthews at wright dot edu
www dot wright dot edu/~john.matthews/

Re: Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

[Kiran]

Alwyn <dt015a1979@mac.com> wrote:

> <http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/carbonemacspackag
> e.html>

Thanks. I will try this.

> Start up Console and see what X11 has written to the log before it quit. 
> That may give you some idea what's going wrong.

Thanks to spotlight I could find console.log easily.  The situation is
weird. It says directory x11r6/ not found. I couldn't find it either. I
don't know how it disappeared.

The install cd won't let me install just x11 unless I reinstall all of
10.4. 

Where I can get apple's complete x11 release, or just the directory
x11r6/ ?

Re: Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

[Richard Maine]

In article <021020052133013271%kiran@no.email>, Kiran <kiran@no.email> 
wrote:

> The install cd won't let me install just x11 unless I reinstall all of
> 10.4. 

Eh? Are you sure? That sounds unfamiliar. On the other hand, what would 
sound very familiar is...

Did you fail to notice the X11 installer on the 10.4 install CD. It is 
easy to miss, as several people (myself for one) can testify. Mount the 
install CD. Then scroll the window down. It's down there below the 
default vies.

-- 
Richard Maine                      | Good judgement comes from experience;
email: last name at domain dot net | experience comes from bad judgement.
domain: summertriangle             |  -- Mark Twain

Re: Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

[Kiran]

Richard Maine <nospam@see.signature> wrote:

> > The install cd won't let me install just x11 unless I reinstall all of
> > 10.4. 
> 
> Eh? Are you sure? That sounds unfamiliar. On the other hand, 
> what would sound very familiar is...
> 
> Did you fail to notice the X11 installer on the 10.4 install CD. It is 
> easy to miss, as several people (myself for one) can testify. Mount the 
> install CD. Then scroll the window down. It's down there below the 
> default vies.

The installer is in an upgrade dvd from 10.3 . As I already have 10.4,
it won't let me proceed to the step you are describing. 

Another person (herapx@gmail.com) has posted similar experience: "When
I try to install x11usr.pkg, I am told that i am not allowed to do that
because newer software is already in the computer. Where? What do i do
now?" See that thread.

Re: Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

[Richard Maine]

In article <031020050022383933%kiran@no.email>, Kiran <kiran@no.email> 
wrote:

> The installer is in an upgrade dvd from 10.3 . As I already have 10.4,
> it won't let me proceed to the step you are describing. 

Eh. I didn't know there was such an animal. And I'm doutful. All the 
10.4 DVD's I have seen are a full 10.4, which will either upgrade or 
install anew. It would be a pain if you had to rebuild a trashed system 
by first installing 10.3 and then upgrading. I've never heard anyone 
have to do such a thing, as would be needed if there was an "upgrade 
only" DVD.

Did you actually look on the dvd and scroll down? The only step to 
proceed through is mounting the CD and scrolling down. Do  *NOT* start 
an install or upgrade. Just scroll down the window. Really. Try it. If 
you are talking about "not getting to that step", that sure sounds like 
you are trying to do an install/upgrade instead of just scrolling down 
the window.

> Another person (herapx@gmail.com) has posted similar experience: "When
> I try to install x11usr.pkg, I am told that i am not allowed to do that
> because newer software is already in the computer. Where? What do i do
> now?" See that thread.

That's exactly the message I got in my 10.4 system when I tried to use 
the x11usr.pkg downloaded from Apple's. The x11usr.pkg from Apple's web 
site is 10.3 only (unless they have upgraded it since I last looked) and 
gets *exactly* that message if you try to install it on a 10.4 system.

And I've seen several other people get the same message from installing 
the x11usr.pkg from Apple. Where did you get x11.pkg if it wasn't from 
the DVD? If it was from Apple's web site, that's exactly the one that I 
and several others got... and we saw exactly the same message. The 
solution in every case has been to install the pkg that is on the 10.4 
DVD instead.

-- 
Richard Maine                      | Good judgement comes from experience;
email: last name at domain dot net | experience comes from bad judgement.
domain: summertriangle             |  -- Mark Twain

Re: Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

[B. Smith-Mannschott]

On Oct 2, 2005, at 06:25, Kiran wrote:

> 2. The x11 that came with tiger also doesn't work (icon bounces once
> and quits). Any ideas?

Are you running the correct copy of X11.app?  I believe 10.3 placed  
X11.app in /Applications, while 10.4 places it in /Applications/ 
Utilities.  Archive-and-install may have left behind the now non- 
functional 10.3 version in /Applications.  Check your Utilities folder.

// Ben

Re: Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

[Kiran]

Richard Maine <nospam@see.signature> wrote:

> Did you actually look on the dvd and scroll down? The only step to 
> proceed through is mounting the CD and scrolling down. Do  *NOT* start 
> an install or upgrade. Just scroll down the window. Really. Try it. If 
> you are talking about "not getting to that step", that sure sounds like 
> you are trying to do an install/upgrade instead of just scrolling down 
> the window.

Great, I scrolled down the window without running anything and found
"optional installs" somewhere below and that did the trick! 

You guessed right, I was running the installer and hoping at some point
I'd be offered a choice to install just one package (x11).

> And I've seen several other people get the same message from installing 
> the x11usr.pkg from Apple. Where did you get x11.pkg if it wasn't from 
> the DVD? If it was from Apple's web site...

It was. When I couldn't install from dvd installer, I tried apple's web
site and got that package.

So, thanks again, the problem is solved.

Tiger upgrade (mac osx): help needed!

[David Reitter]

> I just did an "archive install" type of upgrade from 10.3 panther to
> 10.4 tiger. Many questions:
>
> 1. Carbon Emacs breaks. I use it a lot, Any solution?

Aquamacs 0.9.6 ( http://aquamacs.org ) works just fine on both  
Panther and Tiger.
If you need a more conservative pre-configuration, try the Carbon  
Emacs Package, which works on Tiger.

If you build it yourself, you'll find that the binaries generated by  
the Emacs (CVS head) build process are incompatible across OS X <=  
10.3.9, 10.4.0/1 and 10.4.2. Sad, but true.