From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Strange keypad bindings Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:57:39 +0100 Message-ID: <02655663-7F07-4E85-A30A-83D5A8D47036@Web.DE> References: <1193524208.114555.16400@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> <1193589037.638040.122840@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <1193715471.338889.157570@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1193738410 19250 80.91.229.12 (30 Oct 2007 10:00:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: David Sagan Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 30 11:00:12 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ImntL-0005DW-N3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:00:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImntC-0003f4-CN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:00:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Imns9-00034G-Oo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:58:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Imns4-0002zn-7f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:58:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Imns4-0002zc-10 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:58:52 -0400 Original-Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Imns3-0001tU-LT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:58:51 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp05.web.de (fmsmtp05.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.4.166]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B4AAB99B6A; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:57:44 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from [195.4.205.157] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp05.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (WEB.DE 4.108 #208) id 1Imnqx-0002Fr-00; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:57:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1193715471.338889.157570@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Sender: Peter_Dyballa@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19rI0Vjv7QuRgc4avXLp+bePsT+G22x9NIsmWmJ bGrpQoddYsnR1NGTwuw2QJwDn8CasdotKPpATPuQ7uIj/ajDSe HDOyT0xnHIOTRLsf3jsw== X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:48917 Am 30.10.2007 um 04:37 schrieb David Sagan: > In any case -q does not change the situation. There is a difference between -q and -Q! Check with 'emacs --help'! You are not restricted to an old vt102 emulation in Terminal. It should not take longer than half an hour to test the six or seven other variants (xterm/xterm-color and dtterm [from CDE] look most promising, ansi might be restricted 'though exact). There is always the chance that a terminal's capabilities description is faulty, local or remote. Or both. Anyway, I'd prefer the X client GNU Emacs, which has no problems. To find out whether the remote GNU Emacs without windows makes problems you can check what the remote login shell sees. Does it see different keys than Emacs? Are there any ~/.inputrc files on the remote site that can alter the default key bindings of that login shell? With the tee programme you can save a copy of your local input to a file while GNU Emacs is running. When that file is a FIFO you can see in another Terminal with another ssh session with tail what this FIFO just received from tee, i.e. you. So you'll see in parallel what Emacs sees and what the login shell sees. The situation can be made more complicated by watching too the network connection and dumping what is actually sent to the remote site. Or for short: I haven't found yet such a misbehaviour. Because I was always using xterm/xterm-color and never the numeric keypad? -- Greetings Pete A morning without coffee is like something without something else.