From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: RTF for emacs Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 19:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01e022ef-74a6-41de-9895-e7864429585e@googlegroups.com> References: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sun, 25 May 2014 21:15:09 -0400)> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401072327 5272 80.91.229.3 (26 May 2014 02:45:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 02:45:27 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 26 04:45:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wokud-0005lS-Kw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 May 2014 04:45:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54149 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wokud-0006Xv-9C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 May 2014 22:45:19 -0400 X-Received: by 10.236.128.112 with SMTP id e76mr8117383yhi.38.1401072090806; Sun, 25 May 2014 19:41:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.66.129 with SMTP id f1mr413637igt.13.1401072090714; Sun, 25 May 2014 19:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!c1no17064155igq.0!news-out.google.com!qf4ni13600igc.0!nntp.google.com!c1no17064149igq.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.26.53; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.26.53 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 02:41:30 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:205603 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97873 Archived-At: On Monday, May 26, 2014 7:19:12 AM UTC+5:30, Robert Thorpe wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: > > No, it doesn't take months to use them properly. > > I think you're a much smarter fellow than me. Over the years I've tried > several times to learn LaTeX by spending a day or two reading tutorials > and using it. But, I've never been able to write practical documents > that way. It's possible to copy templates, but understanding how they > work so small changes can be made is more difficult. If latex bugs you, just use the odt (aka libreoffice) backend of org mode. Just to add to Charles' suggestion: 1. Start using the org that comes ready with emacs. 2. Play around with the functionality from the menu until basic structure editing makes sense and you dont need to fish around in the menu for the keys. 3. Use tables and the table editor 4. Try all the exporters that it offers but dont do any significant customization 5. Around this point you will have to decide whether for you org is - in the Latex category [Large complex non-working system] - in the *I just LOVE it* category If you fall into the second, switch from default org (which can be a couple of MAJOR versions behind whats bundled with emacs) to a recent one, get that working and join the org mailing list :D.