From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs becoming Word? Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:53:42 +0200 Message-ID: <01c53202$Blat.v2.4$fc3ff320@zahav.net.il> References: <20050325180531.GB16586@dionysus.ucolick.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111842931 20061 80.91.229.2 (26 Mar 2005 13:15:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 26 14:15:31 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFB8O-0003I8-4p for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:15:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFBO4-000079-S5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:31:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DFBNN-0008NI-NC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:30:54 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DFBNL-0008MN-7Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:30:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DFBN5-000836-4y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:30:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.24] (helo=legolas.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DFAql-0005H4-7u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:57:11 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretski (IGLD-80-230-9-205.inter.net.il [80.230.9.205]) by legolas.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.6-GR) with ESMTP id EAE50305 (AUTH halo1); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:57:09 +0200 (IST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailer: emacs 22.0.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 2.4 In-reply-to: <20050325180531.GB16586@dionysus.ucolick.org> (message from Greg Novak on Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:05:31 -0800) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25190 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25190 > Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:05:31 -0800 > From: Greg Novak > > Starting with Emacs21, the program has been creeping toward becoming a > WYSIWYG editor, instead of sticking to its roots as a _TEXT_ editor. > > Some of these features are cool and useful: Eg, I use the ability to > display PNG files in a buffer to look at previews of math I've typeset > with Latex in the same buffer as the Latex source. Cool, and useful. > > While I'm not against implementing these wacky new feature, I request > that they remain _off by default_. Since you do like some of the ``wacky'' new features, please give a list of those which you request to be left off by default. We cannot possibly guess them, and the two problems you mentioned _are_ already off by default, see below. > Today when I was editing source > code and tried to type pi/2 in a buffer, Emacs replaced it with some > special character that appeared as "1/2" as a single character. This is off by default, so you should look into your customizations and find what turns it on. > The other day I was editing Lisp code and found that instead of the > usual paren highlighting, Emacs was highlighting the entire enclosed > expression. This feature is off by default as well. Something in your .emacs turns it on. > I've had a long, sometimes rocky, but mostly loving relationship with > Emacs. I find these developments troubling. If these two examples are the only problems that bug you, it seems like you are jumping to conclusions: the cause of your trouble is your own customizations, and perhaps also a few packages that are not part of the normal Emacs distribution. If there are other WYSIWYG features that you find unhelpful and that are on by default, please tell what are they.