From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:27:42 +0200 Message-ID: <01c52d8b$Blat.v2.4$69aa4e00@zahav.net.il> References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111350865 2535 80.91.229.2 (20 Mar 2005 20:34:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 21:34:25 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD77u-0001aE-1o for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:34:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD7Or-0000vV-FK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:51:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DD7OD-0000ix-5H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:51:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DD7OA-0000hm-EO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:51:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DD7OA-0000gr-8c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:51:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DD74z-0004MR-Qq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:31:22 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretski (IGLD-84-228-241-130.inter.net.il [84.228.241.130]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.6-GR) with ESMTP id AUG51840 (AUTH halo1); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:30:53 +0200 (IST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailer: emacs 22.0.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 2.4 In-reply-to: (message from Brian Elmegaard on 20 Mar 2005 13:39:09 +0100) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25053 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25053 > From: Brian Elmegaard > Date: 20 Mar 2005 13:39:09 +0100 > > "Eli Zaretskii" writes: > > > With the exception of the last one, these are all advanced stuff, not > > something a newbie would stumble on, IMHO. > > MS Word and winedt are not advanced, but do have that. If MS Word isn't advanced, then what is? > > This is the function of the window manager. Where Emacs runs under a > > window manager, Alt-F4 does close it. > > C-h k gives me: > is undefined On what OS? Under which window manager? > > > C-TAB for frame/window/buffer (depending on changes according to [2]) > > > switching. > > > > Where did you see this key binding? > > Almost anywhere but in MS word and emacs, for instance: winedt, excel, > gimp, mozilla. 4 examples vs 2 is not ``almost anywhere''.