Combining Ctrl + Super_l + ' (quote) does not work

Combining Ctrl + Super_l + ' (quote) does not work

[Yarek Kowalik]

I'm running GNU Emacs 22.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d
scroll bars) of 2008-05-02 on king, modified by Ubuntu

I have some commands bound to C-s-'.  It fails with the right side key
combination, but on the left. That is, it works when I press Ctrl_r +
Super_r + ', and not but when I press Ctrl_l + Super_l + '.  Ctrl_l +
' is recognized as C+' and Super_l + ' is recognized as s-', but
strangely combining Ctrl_l and Super_L does not produce C-s-.

It's a command I use often, and this is highly annoying as it works
fine on my x86 laptop where I run GNU Emacs 22.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu,
X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2008-05-03 on terranova, modified by
Ubuntu.

Any clue where I need to tweak to make this work?

Yarek

Re: Combining Ctrl + Super_l + ' (quote) does not work

[Yarek Kowalik]

On Nov 12, 12:26 pm, Yarek Kowalik <yarek.kowa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm running GNU Emacs 22.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d
> scroll bars) of 2008-05-02 on king, modified by Ubuntu
>
> I have some commands bound to C-s-'.  It fails with the right side key
> combination, but on the left. That is, it works when I press Ctrl_r +
> Super_r + ', and not but when I press Ctrl_l + Super_l + '.  Ctrl_l +
> ' is recognized as C+' and Super_l + ' is recognized as s-', but
> strangely combining Ctrl_l and Super_L does not produce C-s-.
>
> It's a command I use often, and this is highly annoying as it works
> fine on my x86 laptop where I run GNU Emacs 22.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu,
> X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2008-05-03 on terranova, modified by
> Ubuntu.
>
> Any clue where I need to tweak to make this work?
>
> Yarek

I also tried all other combinations of [Ctrl_L | Ctrl_R] + [Super_L |
Super_R] + ', and the only that does not work is the Ctrl_L + Super_L
+ '.

Yarek

Re: Combining Ctrl + Super_l + ' (quote) does not work

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 12.11.2008 um 21:26 schrieb Yarek Kowalik:

> Any clue where I need to tweak to make this work?


You need to do it in X. The command 'xmodmap -pm' should print that  
both control and both super modifiers have an equal meaning, although  
the system can distinguish between them. Something like this should  
be shown:

	xmodmap:  up to 2 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
	
	shift       Shift_L (0x40),  Shift_R (0x44)
	lock        Caps_Lock (0x41)
	control     Control_L (0x43),  Control_R (0x46)
	mod1        Mode_switch (0x42),  Mode_switch (0x45)
	mod2        Meta_L (0x3f)
	mod3        Super_L (0x2a),  Super_R (0x2f)
	mod4
	mod5

With xmodmap you can make your right and left modifier variants be  
"on the same level." Xmodmap can use kind of a "script," a file  
~/.xmodmaprc that adjusts the details, which is invoked from  
~/.xinitrc before the first X client is launched.

GNU Emacs relies on X11.

--
Greetings

   Pete

"We need a president who's fluent in at least one language."
				– Buck Henry

Re: Combining Ctrl + Super_l + ' (quote) does not work

[Yarek Kowalik]

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I tried doing the "add" command with xmodmap (see below), and that didn't
work.
There are two comments on this:

1) the default xmodmap is identical between x86 and amd64 machines, yet the
amd64 is not working.  Doing xmodmap "add" does not help -- I even tried
restarting emacs

2) note that Ctrl_R + *Super_L* + ' works fine, but Ctrl_L + *Super_L* + '
does not.  It's the left Ctrl with left Super that's not functioning.

It's baffling.  Any other thoughts?

Yarek

phoenix% xmodmap
xmodmap:  up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):

shift       Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
lock        Caps_Lock (0x42)
control     Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
mod1        Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_R (0x71),  Meta_L (0x9c)
mod2        Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3
mod4        Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80)
mod5        Mode_switch (0x5d),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)

phoenix% xmodmap -e "add mod4 = Super_R"
phoenix% xmodmap
xmodmap:  up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):

shift       Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
lock        Caps_Lock (0x42)
control     Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
mod1        Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_R (0x71),  Meta_L (0x9c)
mod2        Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3
mod4        Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80),  Super_R (0x74)
mod5        Mode_switch (0x5d),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)




On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@web.de> wrote:

>
> Am 12.11.2008 um 21:26 schrieb Yarek Kowalik:
>
>  Any clue where I need to tweak to make this work?
>>
>
>
> You need to do it in X. The command 'xmodmap -pm' should print that both
> control and both super modifiers have an equal meaning, although the system
> can distinguish between them. Something like this should be shown:
>
>        xmodmap:  up to 2 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
>
>        shift       Shift_L (0x40),  Shift_R (0x44)
>        lock        Caps_Lock (0x41)
>        control     Control_L (0x43),  Control_R (0x46)
>        mod1        Mode_switch (0x42),  Mode_switch (0x45)
>        mod2        Meta_L (0x3f)
>        mod3        Super_L (0x2a),  Super_R (0x2f)
>        mod4
>        mod5
>
> With xmodmap you can make your right and left modifier variants be "on the
> same level." Xmodmap can use kind of a "script," a file ~/.xmodmaprc that
> adjusts the details, which is invoked from ~/.xinitrc before the first X
> client is launched.
>
> GNU Emacs relies on X11.
>
> --
> Greetings
>
>  Pete
>
> "We need a president who's fluent in at least one language."
>                                – Buck Henry
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Combining Ctrl + Super_l + ' (quote) does not work

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 13.11.2008 um 00:09 schrieb Yarek Kowalik:

> shift       Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
> lock        Caps_Lock (0x42)
> control     Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
> mod1        Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_R (0x71),  Meta_L (0x9c)
> mod2        Num_Lock (0x4d)
> mod3
> mod4        Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80)
> mod5        Mode_switch (0x5d),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)

Alt and Meta are the same – not good. Throw away Num_Lock and put  
Meta into its slot. Then move Hyper to mod3. Now you can add Super_R  
as another mod4.

Before you can add any modifier you first need to declare it as a  
key, for example (with decimal number):

	keycode 116 = Super_R

The utility xev can tell you the key's code. Once it's defined,  
xmodmap -pk should list it. Then you can make it a modifier.

As an example one of my corrections works like this:

	clear Mod1
	add Mod1 = Alt_L Alt_R
	clear Mod2
	add Mod2 = Meta_L Meta_R

--
Greetings

   Pete

Globalisation – communism from above.

Re: Combining Ctrl + Super_l + ' (quote) does not work

[Yarek Kowalik]

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Thanks for the tips. I used xev to get the kecodes conformed.   I tried
making the changes you suggested, and here is what I got:

phoenix% xmodmap
xmodmap:  up to 4 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):

shift       Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
lock        Caps_Lock (0x42)
control     Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
mod1        Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_R (0x71)
mod2
mod3        Hyper_L (0x80)
mod4        Super_L (0x73),  Super_R (0x74)
mod5        Mode_switch (0x5d),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)


Note the absence of Meta_L and Meta_R: whenever I tried "add mod2 = Meta_L
and Meta_R" it would register as "Alt_L and Alt_R" and then Alt modifier
commands would stop working.  I could not produce Meta_L and Meta_R in xev,
and xmodmap reports these as:

    64        0xffe9 (Alt_L)    0xffe7 (Meta_L)
    113        0xffea (Alt_R)    0xffe8 (Meta_R)

In any event, the after making the changes above it still did not fix the
original problem.  I still cannot get C-s-' but only on Control_L + Super_L
+ ' .   Super_R works fine, and Super_L works fine with Control_R too.

I'm a little confused why all this xmodmap is necessary.. I can get s-'
working on both Super_L and Super_R just fine, as well as C-' with Control_L
and Control_R.  and I can get C-s-' with any combo of Control and Super with
exception of C_L and S_L.   I'm having a feeling that it's more emacs thing
than xmodmap thing.

Thanks for the suggestions... keep them coming if you spot something worth
trying.

Cheers,

Yarek

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@web.de> wrote:

>
> Am 13.11.2008 um 00:09 schrieb Yarek Kowalik:
>
>  shift       Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
>> lock        Caps_Lock (0x42)
>> control     Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
>> mod1        Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_R (0x71),  Meta_L (0x9c)
>> mod2        Num_Lock (0x4d)
>> mod3
>> mod4        Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80)
>> mod5        Mode_switch (0x5d),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)
>>
>
> Alt and Meta are the same – not good. Throw away Num_Lock and put Meta into
> its slot. Then move Hyper to mod3. Now you can add Super_R as another mod4.
>
> Before you can add any modifier you first need to declare it as a key, for
> example (with decimal number):
>
>        keycode 116 = Super_R
>
> The utility xev can tell you the key's code. Once it's defined, xmodmap -pk
> should list it. Then you can make it a modifier.
>
> As an example one of my corrections works like this:
>
>        clear Mod1
>        add Mod1 = Alt_L Alt_R
>        clear Mod2
>        add Mod2 = Meta_L Meta_R
>
> --
> Greetings
>
>  Pete
>
> Globalisation – communism from above.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Combining Ctrl + Super_l + ' (quote) does not work

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 14.11.2008 um 08:42 schrieb Yarek Kowalik:

>     64        0xffe9 (Alt_L)    0xffe7 (Meta_L)
>     113        0xffea (Alt_R)    0xffe8 (Meta_R)

This is nonsense! A modifier key can't be modified by another, the  
Shift, key. Each modifier key has to be a single. Otherwise: is A-S-a  
meant or is it M-a?

--
Greetings

   Pete

If my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim  
me as a German, and France will declare that I am a citizen of the  
world. Should my theory prove untrue, France will say that I am a  
German, and Germany will declare that I am a Jew.
				– Albert Einstein, 1929

Re: Combining Ctrl + Super_l + ' (quote) does not work

[Yarek Kowalik]

Does anyone know how to trace key presses in emacs?

Yarek



On Nov 12, 3:09 pm, "Yarek Kowalik" <yarek.kowa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I tried doing the "add" command with xmodmap (see below), and that didn't
> work.
> There are two comments on this:
>
> 1) the default xmodmap is identical between x86 and amd64 machines, yet the
> amd64 is not working.  Doing xmodmap "add" does not help -- I even tried
> restarting emacs
>
> 2) note that Ctrl_R + *Super_L* + ' works fine, but Ctrl_L + *Super_L* + '
> does not.  It's the left Ctrl with left Super that's not functioning.
>
> It's baffling.  Any other thoughts?
>
> Yarek
>
> phoenix% xmodmap
> xmodmap:  up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
>
> shift       Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
> lock        Caps_Lock (0x42)
> control     Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
> mod1        Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_R (0x71),  Meta_L (0x9c)
> mod2        Num_Lock (0x4d)
> mod3
> mod4        Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80)
> mod5        Mode_switch (0x5d),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)
>
> phoenix% xmodmap -e "add mod4 = Super_R"
> phoenix% xmodmap
> xmodmap:  up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
>
> shift       Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
> lock        Caps_Lock (0x42)
> control     Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
> mod1        Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_R (0x71),  Meta_L (0x9c)
> mod2        Num_Lock (0x4d)
> mod3
> mod4        Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80),  Super_R (0x74)
> mod5        Mode_switch (0x5d),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyba...@web.de> wrote:
>
> > Am 12.11.2008 um 21:26 schrieb Yarek Kowalik:
>
> >  Any clue where I need to tweak to make this work?
>
> > You need to do it in X. The command 'xmodmap -pm' should print that both
> > control and both super modifiers have an equal meaning, although the system
> > can distinguish between them. Something like this should be shown:
>
> >        xmodmap:  up to 2 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
>
> >        shift       Shift_L (0x40),  Shift_R (0x44)
> >        lock        Caps_Lock (0x41)
> >        control     Control_L (0x43),  Control_R (0x46)
> >        mod1        Mode_switch (0x42),  Mode_switch (0x45)
> >        mod2        Meta_L (0x3f)
> >        mod3        Super_L (0x2a),  Super_R (0x2f)
> >        mod4
> >        mod5
>
> > With xmodmap you can make your right and left modifier variants be "on the
> > same level." Xmodmap can use kind of a "script," a file ~/.xmodmaprc that
> > adjusts the details, which is invoked from ~/.xinitrc before the first X
> > client is launched.
>
> > GNU Emacs relies on X11.
>
> > --
> > Greetings
>
> >  Pete
>
> > "We need a president who's fluent in at least one language."
> >                                – Buck Henry

Re: Combining Ctrl + Super_l + ' (quote) does not work

[Joost Kremers]

Yarek Kowalik wrote:
> Does anyone know how to trace key presses in emacs?

C-h l


-- 
Joost Kremers                                      joostkremers@yahoo.com
Selbst in die Unterwelt dringt durch Spalten Licht
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RE: Combining Ctrl + Super_l + ' (quote) does not work

[Drew Adams]

> Does anyone know how to trace key presses in emacs?

C-h f open-dribble-file