From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Info-mode and ido Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:34:43 -0700 Message-ID: <004201c892e0$28fb8140$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <002601c891e8$8afa2a70$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><000301c89285$188dc8f0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><003f01c892ce$abd5e860$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206934539 11102 80.91.229.12 (31 Mar 2008 03:35:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:35:39 +0000 (UTC) To: "'William Xu'" , Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 31 05:36:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JgAoV-0000HH-S6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:36:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgAnt-0003x5-UM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:35:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgAnb-0003u6-Vi for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:35:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgAna-0003s7-0c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:35:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgAnZ-0003rz-Te for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:35:05 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgAnZ-0007gN-PG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:35:05 -0400 Original-Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m2V3Yv4I012561; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:35:02 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m2UCTVNg003536; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:34:56 -0600 Original-Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3630662371206934459; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:34:19 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.64.157) by bhmail.oracle.com (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:34:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AciS2McKzJv6w+iTQoKPlxygazAGwgABYXtQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:52874 Archived-At: > > Candidates are available in *Completions*, if you want to > > see them. By default, *Completions* is shown only on demand > > (hit TAB or S-TAB), but you can optionally have it appear > > as soon as Emacs starts reading your input. > > So this is the major UI difference between Icicles and Ido. No, it's not the major UI difference. I described some of the major differences. And display of *Completions* is not even a difference, since you can have Icicles open *Completions* immediately, on demand, or not at all. A difference is that Ido shows candidates in the minibuffer and Icicles does not, but that is not a major UI difference. (And you can use Icicles with icomplete[+].el.) > One of the drawbacks of open a separate *Completions* buffer is kind of > distraction, with window creation and destruction. So don't open it. You never need to show *Completions*. You say that you don't look at the candidates list in Ido's minibuffer anyway, so you apparently don't need to see any candidates. If you start working with sets of candidates (which you can do in Icicles but not in Ido), then you might want to see them sometimes, at least while defining a set. But if you are just after a single candidate, then you don't need to show them at all. > > You might like Icicles or you might not, but don't expect > > it to be the same as either vanilla Emacs or ido. > > I think I'm hopelessly addicted to ido at present. There's hope even for the hopeless... but habits can be hard to kick.