From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Emacs's popularity (was: Distributed Maintenance for Emacs) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:46:32 -0800 Message-ID: <003401c95fa6$3c350f90$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> References: <2103fd36-c5cd-4e8d-a74f-34697a369934@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com><003101c954de$f95a3000$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><87skop8cc7.fsf@iki.fi> <20081215210907.GB3848@groll.co.za><00aa01c95f00$fc27b830$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><00ad01c95f03$21fae080$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <20081216131802.GC3848@groll.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229449729 30057 80.91.229.12 (16 Dec 2008 17:48:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:48:49 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Jonathan Groll'" , Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 16 18:49:52 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCe36-0005VP-SY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:49:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49652 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCe1u-0002eo-RO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:48:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCe0D-0002Hq-SE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:46:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCe0B-0002Ge-0b for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:46:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41598 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCe0A-0002GZ-Sr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:46:34 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet11.oracle.com ([148.87.113.123]:20496 helo=rgminet11.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LCe0A-0000GW-Fu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:46:34 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mBGHlbbw032314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:47:38 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt706.oracle.com (acsmt706.oracle.com [141.146.40.84]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mBGHkYfx005365; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:46:35 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.65.181) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:46:23 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclfgNYldVwozLJcSQytdXu/IXk+NwAHiuwg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20081216131802.GC3848@groll.co.za> X-Source-IP: acsmt706.oracle.com [141.146.40.84] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4947E972.01F1:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:60697 Archived-At: > Not sure where I am picking this up from and maybe it is only > persecution mentality, but it seems to me that in some quarters Emacs > has been perceived to be an item of hilarity only to be seriously used > by bearded software freedom types (judging by some recent comments I > have seen on IRC and heard on assorted podcasts - Lugradio I'm looking > at you), am I feeling overly persecuted or is that a sentiment others > are also experiencing? Even among geeks we get picked on!!! Picked on? Yes, perhaps you do have a persecution problem. ;-) Ah yes, the jungle of peer pressure - dur, dur pour les ados. Don't worry; it will pass. Sounds like a compliment, to me. But then, I'm an unshaven antique entombed in hilarity. > helping to introduce users to Emacs, > so it has not been all negative publicity. We need more negative publicity. Give us more. Keeps out the bopper tourists. > I personally don't care if Emacs is never the most popular editor on > the planet, but I do care that it is given a fair chance to be > evaluated on it's merit. Trial by fire. Emacs to the rack. Let it suffer! It deserves NO popularity. Free Emacs from the Popularistas!