From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Leaving Freenode behind Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 23:09:41 +0200 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15903"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , Richard Stallman To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 22 23:51:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lvoIb-0003vq-JV for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 23:51:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50668 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvoIa-0006O7-Jz for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:51:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40288) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvnf0-0006NS-KN for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:10:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:54147) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvnex-0001YN-V3; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:10:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1624396181; bh=IxwRlCy3ofiWLrruMO5n+ma6HiRHE76DJwc4CFawGns=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=T2LTNS2Vbj5ZfZXjmJVXC22tsTz+UNzDp0jP+gvbWIOBuQcCDDI2U98d+nsmlFIpE +kQmGNnuAUXHHmtXg65m0yn3x92rvWkfFF04ynkhqDXlNkT86uEmKQ7sKnQ5anoSv2 Fzhd2t/x2yaigP2X9YARwRUwu+GVAeMzY/55FGXs= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.44.132] ([92.251.44.132]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs13.server.lan [172.19.170.181]) (via HTTP); Tue, 22 Jun 2021 23:09:41 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ABlVhTgTI1wEkOqkulUAusDLkR6eVYA9khZw4bRymA0h57wXt6kSi1M3HbUlwaY1AgAXR 8nksTEM0W3HdMEuzt/qs/K+zxGC19diy1dBu5tiGXa4zFNXbF35XnIjmHJevGVcmFLwPnSEwaXcM NgX+TLyDu7hfTj8wOluXz/6v9TQl1dM9s+Uc4dxo73YiXEKAlVaMsZjk/8x/onFLQgzSlRTsqX3W jaooq0ZT1NDkhFYWJG8gVRPbFCeQRsgcCXtIHrQOm17fLixYlbI4nPRxNkHSuJx3o+Whar1xsBae rc= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:OXtm3WzSGFw=:NM9H54bVUTFiCVYMw1yAjX 9Y1yT1Y/1x6GeNj9igXrSgNLTLdlSl2pAnDy0T+8pxC04PTXmp5PvPm2aT4QR4ZpnqBRSGLdA vlGUzlbjMJbpcoOjdWXQPYHmqS0yWtqwRftn/QBf/ZwfsAUyo3bSlpQAxFHdoiBhrWcX+ovQv kSBIDmrdIuCzuOf1QXO8ubL9HYWi+VuPwGn6lfKx/py8KHzL0iuy5Z1v4ieVsdhAlU5BfOJKh ZhdhGGdI2bVeQukIR7cBzCwoqk5WMWgr27XoEgQ/XiCOlREv6RKpJS4956X10wl69fHaPmKXy fQsnzRg0UrZvsg+OAABjxgLLWWyMpXhkzed5vxEa92ZOG4IGZRPdCtENQ9yFyYNYLETvcDZgg TpV+TuNA2D5OHElOBY0PLKMVoXnuGKOUiOpyzSl85lXe94mCo7pcYoglNaC1dg14XPjm2OC8E hvrLm8M4bzK+jFp8X6PJVKPBclEwgeSRtOLpA5j6JlL7mONL4LspA/q1UMVO2+3+QNKaje6tT VAsURkWHc4Q6nXlagCGnXS/5Cqfn6LnP/mCVbunk0/8S8/qFv9uA+mqt8NyClhNia3s6Sn3C4 M973W6vS4etTkwNiUM6LQovTswhJyb8sd9BdUZr+aIG6vClWPDFr4SSkLOqYZUxhOKgcfxgLz YEuQU8iQvETakwY179odL1yi7BA01BTvG9Yil4MP0O+QLQ1fi6sYIHp6Lo6ZI90HIRdEMWNY7 GmfrZX0kUVmKzKm/MWlmimK99LWw+NsAAWnhGxpUO20UF1lwgPsaIK5BXEinY1sQDUBIcT0S Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.20; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:51:01 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:650 Archived-At: > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 8:48 AM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "Stefan Kangas" , "Richard Stallman" , emacs-tangents@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Leaving Freenode behind > > * Christopher Dimech [2021-06-22 09:40]: > > It is unfortunate to think that the moment one markets something, > > then it is corrupt. There is nothing wrong with a business or an > > industry. Business means that something that someone needs, someone > > decides to provide. As long as it is a legitimate business and people > > are paying their taxes. Of course for a cost, because if it needs to = be > > sustained, there has to be a cost. > > > > Till people give up this attitude, free software will not spread > > across. Free software must go to every village if the urban people > > pay for it. That is my mission and I will take it there. > > What you don't see is that free software WAS always one or the other > business. There is nothing wrong and was never wrong in selling free > software. That is how I found it, I have paid 90 Deutschmarks in > Buchhandlung under Bahnhof in Stuttgart for the "Red Hat Linux" book > with the CDs attached. That was in 1999. All my contacts at the time > were with the companies selling free software on CDs. It was never in > my mind a question that such would be "free". What was good with it is > that license was permissive and I could buy one time and use it many > times. > > So many times I have purchased Free GNU/Linux variations of OS-es in > magazines or with books. In fact I used Internet so little, it took me > few years to figure out that I could just download software. Until > then I have been installing it from paid CDs. I remember that time well. That's how it was. > Many companies are profiting on free software. It was since the > inception of GNU with kernel Linux that it was sold and sold over and > over again. > > How do you mean: free software will not spread? It runs now the > majority of Internet, people pay for VPS-es, it is just everywhere, > well spread. Because the non-profit obsession is basically a dislike of those who are successful. > -- > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > In support of Richard M. Stallman > https://stallmansupport.org/ >