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envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:654 Archived-At: > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "Stefan Kangas" , emacs-tangents@gnu=2Eorg > Subject: Re: Leaving Freenode behind > > * Christopher Dimech [2021-06-23 23:13]: > > You are correct=2E It is not about non-profits disliking business=2E > > It is about those people who only value non-profit=2E >=20 > I don't know such people=2E=20 We have different experiences=2E =20 > What I know from experience is that non-profit organizations always > work hand in hand with profit organizations=2E Especially for the reason > that money usually comes from one to other and each party > benefits=2E Non-profit gets the money or other values and profit one > gets tax deductions=2E That is how it is in Germany and US and other > countries=2E Condition is that non-profit is recognized by tax > authorities as having public interest=2E That's how things should be=2E I am not interested in non-profit myself= =2E =20 > > It=E2=80=99s not hard to start a nonprofit=2E The barriers to entry is= pretty > > low=2E It costs a few hundred dollars and a few hours=2E But then wha= t? > > Running a nonprofit and growing it to a size where it can effectively > > serve something takes resources=2E=20 >=20 > Of course, I should know that as being a corporate service provider > for last 19 years=2E Though in Germay it is considerably harder, but we > do it even remotely=2E They use the middle ages notary system with few > other countries in Europe=2E Never worked seriously is Germany myself=2E =20 > If anybody considers donating to non-profit one should consider maybe > doing a direct contribution to social aspect=2E Often it will be more > valuable=2E >=20 > There are those which distribute majority of values for non-profit > purposes: > https://www=2Emarketwatch=2Ecom/story/20-incredible-charities-that-give-= 99-of-the-money-they-get-to-the-actual-cause-2017-12-28 >=20 > Then there are those which distribute just 30% - 40% for non-profit > purposes: > https://moneyinc=2Ecom/worst-charities-you-shouldnt-be-donating-to/ >=20 > So that is what I tell you, while non-profit is designated > "non-profit" in many sectors of its activities they may be actually > profit organization=2E IRS would ask for taxes for any activity that is > not charity activity=2E For any income to its directors beyond or within > charity activities they anyway have to pay taxes=2E You see? It is just > that purpose is different=2E Profits are there=2E When we say "non-profi= t" > it only points out to structure of the organization, to its main > purposes=2E But profits are there and should be, that is in other > context=2E Charity has to make money somehow=2E=20 Hat off to that=2E =20 > --=20 > Jean >=20 > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www=2Efsf=2Eorg/campaigns >=20 > In support of Richard M=2E Stallman > https://stallmansupport=2Eorg/ >