From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Adrien Brochard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Emacs User Survey 2020 Results Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 16:39:07 -0500 Message-ID: References: <27f2aad6-2c1e-1127-bce6-5e96a241db56@gmx.com> <87y2i6rd4c.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20661"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:84.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/84.0 Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org To: Jean Louis , =?UTF-8?Q?G=c3=b6ktu=c4=9f_Kayaalp?= Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 09 23:08:20 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kn7dD-0005HB-Ou for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 23:08:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47912 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kn7dC-0000XV-KC for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 17:08:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43698) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kn7Bb-0006SH-Qv for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 16:39:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:38749) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kn7BX-0003G2-9v for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 16:39:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1607549949; bh=qNLtCIEP8XlWGi0T9s81M3u4htw5izTDjGPDYFbrJvE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ZE8DAAkYxNxSXacuAoVThk/A4nC5fMnNE3jTVQy3pr+OvaCJ/nfTwiqIIHBDuJEQ9 hdYemKNFQLddFnVNFXhXDqmfCj0a9+IRzAmzCy8sIMi5spO3xX+56HiSkHja0cIKbo CzGssruYSrVhh8SDL/r96bbajzLTtCEtvSVPBk5o= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [192.168.1.182] ([96.246.99.76]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MG9g4-1kusWf2aJY-00GYQv; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 22:39:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:h0gmyJlUcrSaetw171pVzopGtgk6Jez7xAji4sqPJK4OPmR2sRx 8W+ynwP6+vgLkrMT1aCTgtFqQ/8ahdGWjOm3UPi+lf9lW3gwOuIA0yZ9AJAqPjaNAcZ0yKE BGqFB85wszUY9iUSPKaf3Acy/rqzaRLSeovxXLtF30vn2i2VgJGUZe4sRZNfqWujGDT8y6j 7UyigHy6B9aiyvIWmERMQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:uHWL95aNZ5k=:SNoYXCIm+ly2IGIIMQHygp 2lYdpy030uGuu+ptUvkTitU6HbMxlboLX3ny+fJ+CEIHKVRwf2ue92FUIPtGnVt+nk45LBR2V Nmb7qbwSCUn2WJ2rAnU39yII2adXEr6tnIzbmMCdA+nBnKODSeY7bsvFP3VSt55YJ6yPRzONQ ArBQmtKpSEX/ZjrSiDrt/lXVbSFHVNsBL+b1nN+NtmkInbOdhsSoDV02m/AWbezDU0fANPRw0 kslekH+l3ykrzKV1VG7XCOYlf3SSNcPDkp3sdSQPtNOafQErZlgDaV5dcctC/9QXVgmaNECi4 xxCx/q674dhQX0YGMLJV5LVt5wygfkRi8q8aifqaM7w5F21G0lCOf2VMcASlr9AjR8tbKk1dA SdYIDVdjtSHc/4R2G9qqwHobYu7pWLPSsFKGPoVzuLhGfoGYL9hJHAEcVpgFYWteNtbiOIdEy R6+pr8HEi/Qp0nQGGNTlrh2o7Y6Yg8iTB7iieMM84GBwrfOpHHq3gJzl6nRXOS5T9w4jjYbU3 jpppvMkQP0WkONus0fmAAYEdt5dicby+hoWhSNzJnBihkvFVSgASzWiqQHxgIWDyevuurYbqt zP2k285gieF3HA5iLIeJ7ZzjrviZCLuf95xtPrMXgwW+qIAh91NF9Fa9uEdEXtFmByrrYw3NB Im/Yaz0C+M9MT2SXVjiBkdFfDymJVMOOps4t7PS8aLK5WicA7u9FzHhe8ZpnrbMwv265U3YF/ 6AaBAVMKuZ1kOFSTIcZVTFm7y9RxTH4nSXR+jHPxhVvbB9cYDMLoCc7zZRuHoU9uqdWPj8Fb Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.21; envelope-from=abrochard@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Dec 2020 17:07:30 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:469 Archived-At: >> If this person chose to use Matlab, it=E2=80=99s totally their decision= . >> Software they used on their own device. Nobody gets to say anything >> about that. > > When Emacs Survey is promoted here, I will tell that there is Octave > as free software as that is what people should know. Using proprietary > software and promoting it to others is detrimental for safety of > people and in itself unjust. I will always say something about > that. Let's just chill about Matlab please. There was no Matlab involved here. I'm 100% against Matlab. >> Now, the choice of Google forms is not great, but nobody forced anybody >> to fill in the survey, and nobody has the right or authority to decide >> with which software people get to use the name of Emacs with. That sort >> of language policing is easily fascistic, whatever the yardstick looks >> like. Also, looking over your email again, I see no link to any online >> survey tools that could replace the use of Google Forms here. Also no Google forms involved. I used Jotform which is not free software indeed, but much more compliant (HIPAA for example). But also correct that nobody was forced and email answers were an option specifically for that purpose. > I have already pointed out to Adrien before the survey how that can be > done. I would be happy to write the HTML with the form and I have my > own system to write it. The survey is very simple to implement in > simple HTML which can look nice with some stylesheet. And there are > few free survey options. Adrien could ask for that and would get an > answer on Emacs devel mailing list when he presented it first time. > > Yet, there would be no need for complex software, as simple HTML and > simple one program in background on the server could collect > information without problem. Times change and people are new and do > not know that problem have been solved before decades since form.cgi https://emacssurvey.org/faq.html#js > German quality LimeSurvey is free software: > https://demo.limesurvey.org/index.php?r=3Dadmin/authentication/sa/login I did look at them. Their hosted version is prohibitively expensive for the volume we had. And I am not willing to self-host. Best, Adrien Brochard