From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Free software politics, not world politics please Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 16:42:34 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87wnd6w63j.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87r13ew318.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <58467AD5-AF41-4356-9B06-D7A8B15D79BE@gnu.support> <871qvef4j6.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <877d557x21.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1624"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/+ () (2022-05-21) Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Uwe Brauer , emacs-tangents@gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 25 15:44:22 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o565G-0000GK-LE for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 15:44:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33252 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o565F-0003s8-KL for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:44:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36476) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o564a-0003oa-IN for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:43:42 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:51069) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o564Y-0007Hi-QP for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:43:40 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.7.129]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000087C4D.0000000062B71109.000013D9; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 06:43:36 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877d557x21.fsf@mbork.pl> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL=0.141, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:887 Archived-At: * Marcin Borkowski [2022-06-25 15:22]: > > On 2022-06-25, at 12:41, Jean Louis wrote: > > > By promoting delivery of weapons Herr Uwe Brauer also promotes > > continuance of further killing in Ukraine. > > While I do not claim that Uwe should or should not delete his signature > (my personal opinion is he need not delete it, but I am not 100% sure it > doesn't conflict with this list's standards), I feel obliged to point > out that the above opinion of Jean looks nonsensical. From what I know, > Ukrainians do their best to _stop_ the war, and I find it probable that > what they are doing is a _just war_ > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory). However, I do not mind that. I just say it is not place in GNU or Emacs to discuss about it, as the mailing list remains public for long time, it is on Internet and becomes part of databases of many search engines: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/ And we shall avoid "other politics" but keep "free software politics". People reading what we are promoting may feel rejected and we get division. It is NOT alright to keep signature such as promoting delivery of weapons to Ukraine for the sake of millions of people in Ukraine who are in danger exaclty because of shelling for last 8 years there. It is sensitive issue. Otherwise we could get all the nazis to promote their hatred views in their signatures. There are many wars in the world. What GNU does as community is bringing people together. Any time that peope talk to each other and find understanding such as in Emacs or anything else -- that brings humanity one step forward. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/