From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: no to war in Ukraine Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 15:59:25 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87ee3p4xn4.fsf@zoho.eu> <87tucl18rp.fsf@zoho.eu> <3cf3a903-10fb-76e4-24f8-d2e48d045f5c@rixotstudio.cz> <87ee3p17tx.fsf@zoho.eu> <87zgmauhq3.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37834"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.0 (2022-02-12) Cc: Uwe Brauer To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 01 14:23:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nP2TE-0009dO-Nx for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 14:23:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53402 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nP2TD-0004H4-O9 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 08:23:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53272) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nP2Rc-0003mt-Ud for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 08:21:37 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:40207) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nP2Ra-0001UH-VK for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 08:21:36 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.82.28.32]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000087ED2.00000000621E1DDB.00005D74; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 06:21:31 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87zgmauhq3.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:804 Archived-At: * Uwe Brauer [2022-03-01 13:24]: > I strongly condem Putin's war of agression against the Ukraine. Me too. > I support to deliver weapons to Ukraine’s military. That is insanity. To stop the war one has to do it peacefully. Not by escalation. This war is in the interest of third parties such as US, NATO as to minimize powers of Russia. They don't care about victims. And victims are already many many due to their support like you said "delivering weapons to Ukraine's military" though in the first case it wasn't military but para-military Azov Battalion: Azov Battalion - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion Examining the Threat of the Azov Movement in Ukraine - GeoHistory https://geohistory.today/azov-movement-ukraine/ US Congress stops funding for Ukraine's war-criminal, neo-Nazi Azov Battalion -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net https://www.sott.net/article/350064-US-Congress-stops-funding-for-Ukraines-war-criminal-neo-Nazi-Azov-Battalion Because of those deliveries, because of Western support, we can see conflict in Ukraine. I am sorry for people, victims, those who died and their families and relatives. I would like you say "Make love, not war" and then jointly bring EU, Ukrainian and Russian girls with us, Emacs users -- that would be positive way of making diplomatic relationships. And now we have calls for more war on the Emacs List. Can you just stop and propose peaceful solutions? Is "weapon" the only mean of communication that you can propose? Why did not you propose some diplomatic way? How do you see your position so much more different than the one of Putin? You support war, Putin support war. That is war. Would you be Putin, my God, catastrophe. > I support the ban of Russia from SWIFT. Do you also consider that such sanctions are human crime on everybody involved in Russian system? Why do you support punishment of the whole population for the actions and decisions of their politicians? Do you understand that many people depend on banking system. 99.9999% of those people are not related to any war. They are people living their life. Children cannot get money from their Russian fathers. Why do you propose escalations and use for that escalations these mailing lists? > I support the EU membership of the Ukraine. For reasons of improving human rights in Ukraine, I would say yes. EU constitution has brought good improvements in those countries where there was abuse of human rights. Though for overall reasons of globalization, I would not know. I prefer countries like Norway, Iceland, UK, who are outside of the EU. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/