From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Help building Pen.el (GPT for emacs) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:57:42 +0300 Message-ID: References: <83r1fp1es9.fsf@gnu.org> <837dhg1a1l.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnpgyvwh.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg04ytnk.fsf@gnu.org> <83v94zy832.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37136"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) Cc: mullikine@gmail.com, emacs-tangents@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, rms@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 24 20:00:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m7LwZ-0009Kj-E8 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:00:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33574 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7LwV-0001v3-Vz for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:00:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40440) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7LwG-0001uc-RB for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 13:59:52 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:51881) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7LwF-0002Ax-0L; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 13:59:52 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.46]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000057D88.0000000060FC5513.00004BD3; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 10:59:47 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83v94zy832.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:697 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii [2021-07-24 19:46]: > > I have never stated it is incompatible with free software, I have > > asked how is GPL licensing compliance solved. > > No, you said we shouldn't use this. Sorry for misunderstandings. I don't remember I ever said we shouldn't use this. It does not appear to me logical as I remember my intention was to find out how is licensing compliance solved so that it becomes clear how it works. Question was directed to author of Pen.el and there was no clear answer neither from you, so I found myself from online research that at least in US for now it is based on "fair use" doctrine. When we take the word "fair" in its original definition, it should be obvious from online comments that many GPL authors do not really find it "fair". It is however one defense that all of present similar AI models have in common, they are to use "fair use" doctrine. We will see that. Also to mention, AI as such is not related to this particular case of using GPL and other free software, it is just one small application of overall artificial technology, there are many other applications which are totally out of this context. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/