From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Leaving Freenode behind Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 23:48:19 +0300 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9409"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , Richard Stallman To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 22 22:51:32 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lvnMp-0002D9-H4 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 22:51:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58602 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvnMo-0006Qm-Fv for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:51:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37128) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvnMc-0006O7-J4 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:51:18 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:37167) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvnMa-00072m-Tr; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:51:18 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.61]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000076061.0000000060D24D41.00002842; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:51:12 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:649 Archived-At: * Christopher Dimech [2021-06-22 09:40]: > It is unfortunate to think that the moment one markets something, > then it is corrupt. There is nothing wrong with a business or an > industry. Business means that something that someone needs, someone > decides to provide. As long as it is a legitimate business and people > are paying their taxes. Of course for a cost, because if it needs to be > sustained, there has to be a cost. > > Till people give up this attitude, free software will not spread > across. Free software must go to every village if the urban people > pay for it. That is my mission and I will take it there. What you don't see is that free software WAS always one or the other business. There is nothing wrong and was never wrong in selling free software. That is how I found it, I have paid 90 Deutschmarks in Buchhandlung under Bahnhof in Stuttgart for the "Red Hat Linux" book with the CDs attached. That was in 1999. All my contacts at the time were with the companies selling free software on CDs. It was never in my mind a question that such would be "free". What was good with it is that license was permissive and I could buy one time and use it many times. So many times I have purchased Free GNU/Linux variations of OS-es in magazines or with books. In fact I used Internet so little, it took me few years to figure out that I could just download software. Until then I have been installing it from paid CDs. Many companies are profiting on free software. It was since the inception of GNU with kernel Linux that it was sold and sold over and over again. How do you mean: free software will not spread? It runs now the majority of Internet, people pay for VPS-es, it is just everywhere, well spread. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/