From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Hardware respecting your freedom Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 09:02:08 +0300 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15661"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/+ (1036f0e) (2020-10-18) Cc: ak@akirakyle.com, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-tangents@gnu.org, Arthur Miller , dgutov@yandex.ru To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 24 08:08:32 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kWCjA-0003wV-CL for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:08:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51746 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWCj9-0004ZU-1G for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 02:08:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44578) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWCiw-0004Yy-15 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 02:08:19 -0400 Original-Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:51139) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWCis-0003kT-Kk; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 02:08:17 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.51]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B39.000000005F93C4CA.000060A0; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 06:08:09 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/24 02:08:11 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:436 Archived-At: * Richard Stallman [2020-10-24 06:50]: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Something like that. Qt was dual licensed (still is) > > Not in 1998! Qt was nonfree, pure and simple. > So I posted asking people to develop a free replacement. Thank you for that. I remember it was not free by inspecting the CD packages and reading reviews about Qt not being free as I wanted to distribute and could not. From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(software) Becoming free software–friendly[edit] With the release of version 2.0 of the toolkit, the license was changed to the Q Public License (QPL), a free software license, but one regarded by the Free Software Foundation as incompatible with the GPL. Compromises were sought between KDE and Trolltech whereby Qt would not be able to fall under a more restrictive license than the QPL, even if Trolltech was bought out or went bankrupt. This led to the creation of the KDE Free Qt foundation,[124] which guarantees that Qt would fall under a BSD-style license should no free/open source version of Qt be released during 12 months.[125][126] In 2000, Qt/X11 2.2 was released under the GPL v2,[127] ending all controversy regarding GPL compatibility. At the end of 2001, Trolltech released Qt 3.0, which added support for Mac OS X (now known as macOS). The Mac OS X support was available only in the proprietary license until June 2003, when Trolltech released Qt 3.2 with Mac OS X support available under the GPL. In 2002, members of the KDE on Cygwin project began porting the GPL licensed Qt/X11 code base to Windows.[128] This was in response to Trolltech's refusal to license Qt/Windows under the GPL on the grounds that Windows was not a free/open source software platform.[129][130] The project achieved reasonable success although it never reached production quality. > > Gnome was a reaction to KDE to build a desktop on a completely Free > > toolkit, and was answer to KDE guys choosing Qt as a base for the > > desktop. > > I also posted asking people to develop another free desktop. > GNOME was the response. Thank you. Few words and world changed. Jean