From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:27:42 +0300 Message-ID: References: <834kjslexq.fsf@gnu.org> <83pn2fkiv5.fsf@gnu.org> <26475995-EEB8-4B71-8B06-A7B7B4C8A737@gnu.support> <834kjrk3ox.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2h3ij23.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33144"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org, ams@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 19:33:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxwZP-0008U0-PW for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 19:33:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48644 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxwZO-0001XX-Rl for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 13:33:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57432) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxwZ7-0001XL-6P for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 13:32:50 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:40069) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxwZ3-0002bj-VL; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 13:32:48 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.145.70]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000295449.000000005FF8A546.00002116; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 11:32:38 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83y2h3ij23.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:526 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii [2021-01-08 17:46]: > > What is real problem there? > > I thought it was obvious. Since it's evidently isn't, let me cross > the t's and dot the i's for you: > > We develop Emacs because we think it helps users. We don't develop it > as some academic exercise to be shown in some ivory tower, nor as > merely an example of what Free Software can become. > > I came to Emacs because it helped me do my everyday's work, and I've > taken upon myself the burden of being its maintainer because I want it > to help others, and become better at helping them. > > Thus, whether I personally can access that site is immaterial. I > don't need your, or anybody's, permission to do whatever I want with > my systems. It's the Emacs user community that I'm trying to help, > and I believe I'm not the only one who needs to do those tasks that I > described. Refusal to make this, or any other package that has the > similar audacity of showing information about software in a completely > neutral way, to be available from GNU ELPA diminishes from the > community, and thus hurts me in my effort to help the community > members to enjoy software freedom. That is why I'm speaking up. If I understand it better you wish to help general Emacs users without regard if GNU as project would be giving all those references to non-free software. I find it unfortunate as that is not quite aligned with GNU project and I hope you will not find that too odd, you have known that GNU project is about free software. Now I wish you good luck, Jean