From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:23:46 +0300 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4279"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, Richard Stallman , arthur.miller@live.com, ams@gnu.org To: Ulrich Mueller Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 19:26:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxwT9-0000zJ-TC for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 19:26:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43796 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxwT8-0007ON-90 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 13:26:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55272) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxwSh-0007N1-L3 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 13:26:11 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:38967) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxwSf-0000Ag-8A; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 13:26:10 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.145.70]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000295449.000000005FF8A3BD.00002060; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 11:26:04 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:525 Archived-At: * Ulrich Mueller [2021-01-08 17:34]: > > * Ulrich Mueller [2021-01-07 22:38]: > >> Gentoo is about choice, and has always leaned a little on the pragmatic > >> side. If we would (for example) exclude all non-free Linux firmware, > >> then I am certain that in order to have a usable system, most users > >> would choose to install such firmware nevertheless, bypassing the > >> package manager. Again, our default there is to install only free > >> firmware, but we leave users the choice to install additional blobs when > >> they explicitly ask for it. > > > Then maybe that is how users are trained or indoctrinated into Gentoo > > as managers or maintainers of Gentoo did not teach users about free > > software. I am sorry for that. That is why Gentoo will not be endorsed > > by GNU project. > > I know, and presumably it will never be. Gentoo as a source-based distro > can also be seen as a "metadistribution" or "distribution toolkit", > so it is relatively easy to use it as basis for building a binary > distribution. Distros derived from Gentoo may have completely different > goals, and examples include Ututo XS (which used to be on the FSF's > whitelist IIRC) and Chromium OS. Dear Ulrich, I understand and I like the technology running Gentoo, as how I know it, it is valuing source and then users can build it straight from source, I hope I am right as I did not use it myself. On the other hand, I cannot recommend it to my friends or business partners as it does have different purpose then being a fully free GNU/Linux distribution, so I recommend those like Guix, Trisquel, Hyperbola, Parabola, PureOS, and others FSF endorsed distributions like here: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html Jean