From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 22:38:15 +0300 Message-ID: References: <801f93f3-8c1f-5f5f-6351-e1169bc309ae@yandex.ru> <83k0sp27f6.fsf@gnu.org> <83eeiwlsn6.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12464"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org, ams@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 07 20:40:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxb8d-000307-0q for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 20:40:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44026 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxb8b-0000AK-V3 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 14:40:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39318) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxb7e-0008BT-BQ for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 14:39:04 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:51963) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxb7a-0004Md-3y; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 14:39:01 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.145.49]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000295449.000000005FF7632E.0000113E; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 12:38:22 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83eeiwlsn6.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:493 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii [2021-01-07 17:38]: > > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 11:15:16 +0300 > > From: Jean Louis > > Cc: Jean Louis , arthur.miller@live.com, > > rms@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, ulm@gentoo.org, > > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > To promote means to contribute to the progress or growth of, in one > > definition, and in other it means to make publicity for > > something. > > repology.org does neither of these. It provides basic information > about each package, and doesn't state any opinion on them, FAICT. It > lets you judge that. That's neither promotion nor advancement nor > publicity, in any reasonable sense of these words relevant to this > discussion. I am somehow surprised how you do not see that. Maybe you understand something different under promotion, I just got a feeling that you understand it as something paid for to be promoted. Even if that is the case, somebody does pay for the website, server and all efforts to get repology.org promoted, and repology.org promotes majority of software packages. GNU ELPA offers listings of packages, it promotes those packages. MELPA offers listings of packages, thus promotes them. If I put a single page on a website, and say anything, whatever subject of that is a promotion. As I contribute to the progress or growth of specific subject. Software repository is promotion of software. Repository package descriptions are promotion of software. The Wiktionary describes it as "dissemination of information in order to increase its popularity" in the context of what we speak of: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/promotion#Etymology Let us say I am hobbiest who likes carneval masks, if I just put a picture on a website I am promoting it. I need not sell it. But I will put efforts to support growth of popularity of carneval masks as I also like it. > You are entitled to your views, but here we discuss what Emacs as a > project should do. That cannot be based on your or mine personal > views. Of course yes. I look at it only from GNU as free software project and if it is aligned to GNU purposes. I did not even know that reference to such already exists in GNU coding standards. In general I am surprised that some people like or wish to get access to descriptions of non-free software packages through GNU ELPA. Why don't they put it in MELPA and be satisfied right there?