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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, jporterbugs@gmail.com, ahyatt@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2023 20:38:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1qelzp-0003lR-Nq@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a5tzsbvl.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Wed, 06 Sep 2023 12:51:42 +0000)

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  >     ... what is constant is that the company can use
  >     our conversations with ChatGPT to train the model. This is not a
  >     surprise or a secret, the company has always reported it.

  > There is no doubt that ChatGTP itself is not libre - its model is not
  > available to public. However, users of the ChatGPT model are technically
  > providing input that is collaboratively editing that model weights
  > (training the model further). So, using ChatGTP is a little bit akin
  > editing Wikipedia pages - collaborating to improve ChatGTP.

That is a valid point, at the practical level.  But the differences
are crucial.

1. In Wikipedia, a contributor voluntarily chooses to participate in editing,
Editing participation is separate from consulting the encyclopedia.  This
fits the word "collaborating.

By contrast, a when the develoers of ChatGTP make it learn from the
user, that "contribution" is neither voluntary nor active.  It is more
"being taken advantage of" than "collaborating".

2. Wikipedia is a community project to develop a free/libre work.  (It
is no coincidence that this resembles the GNU Project.)  Morally it
deserves community support, despite some things it handles badly.

By contrast, ChatGTP is neither a community project nor free/libre.
That's perhaps why it arranges to manipulate people into "contributing"
rather than letting them choose.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)





  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-09-09  0:38 UTC|newest]

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2023-08-31 16:29                     ` [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm chad
2023-09-01  9:53                       ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                     ` <E1qcyN3-0001al-5t@fencepost.gnu.org>
2023-09-06 12:51                       ` Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 16:59                         ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-09  0:37                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 22:52                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-07  7:28                           ` Lucien Cartier-Tilet
2023-09-07  7:57                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-09  0:38                         ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2023-09-09 10:28                           ` Collaborative training of Libre LLMs (was: Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm)) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 11:19                             ` Jean Louis
2023-09-10  0:22                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-10  2:18                               ` Debanjum Singh Solanky

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