From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Help building Pen.el (GPT for emacs) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:06:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83im1948mj.fsf@gnu.org> <83lf642jeh.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26246"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-tangents@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support To: Shane Mulligan Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 25 03:07:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m7Sbk-0006cZ-6e for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 03:07:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50766 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7Sbj-0003p8-8r for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:07:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49222) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7SbZ-0003oz-3l for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:06:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55310) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7SbY-0000EU-F4; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:06:56 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7SbY-0004hw-1D; Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:06:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Shane Mulligan on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:51:19 +1200) X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:700 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > GPT is potentially the best thing to happen to emacs in a very long time. If GPT-3 were released as a free program, we might want to use it. Perhaps it would be very useful. Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I think GPT-3 is an unreleased program which people can use only via SaaSS. SaaSS stands for Service as a Software Substitute. It means that a "service" accepts your data, does a specific computing job, and sends you back the results. Using such a service is morally mostly equivalent to running a nonfree program -- so we cannot suggest that anyone DO that. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html for more explanation of this issue. > The way this will work is you will download > the free GPT model, such as GPT-j, GPT-neo or > GPT-neox and then you will have an offline and > private alternative to many things previously > you would go online for. Are you saying there is a free replacement for GPT-3 and we can run these free models with it on our own computers? That could be good news, because we could actually use it. > It will bring back power from the corporations and save it to your > computer, That sounds exciting but it is not concrete enough to think about. open source and transparent, What follows is a side issue, but it's an important side issue. "Open source" is the slogan of a campaign we don't advocate. It is partly similar to the free software movement but discards the moral foundation: the idea of freedom. We don't use the slogan "open source" because we want to advocate freedom, not forget it. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html for more explanation of the difference between free software and open source. See also https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-meme-hustler for Evgeny Morozov's article on the same point. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)