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  > Thus, whether I personally can access that site is immaterial.  I
  > don't need your, or anybody's, permission to do whatever I want with
  > my systems.

I think we all agree on that.

  >   Refusal to make this, or any other package that has the
  > similar audacity of showing information about software in a completely
  > neutral way, to be available from GNU ELPA diminishes from the
  > community, and thus hurts me in my effort to help the community
  > members to enjoy software freedom.

That is a different issue -- related by different.  It raises other
ethical issues that do not arise in anyone's personal activities.
There are many reasons we might not put a package into GNU ELPA
even though it is sometimes useful for people.

I will write to you about this privately on Monday.  Tomorrow I have
an all-day meeting.


-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)