From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 13:18:35 -0500 Message-ID: References: <6193374b-a60d-ba82-91b5-afdede18e3bb@yandex.ru> <72871d3a-3b6a-d6fd-01cc-4248f817923c@yandex.ru> <801f93f3-8c1f-5f5f-6351-e1169bc309ae@yandex.ru> <83k0sp27f6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnwolu2i.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26997"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, ulm@gentoo.org, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 07 20:34:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxb3P-0006sJ-1P for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 20:34:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36428 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxb3N-0004tV-VN for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 14:34:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49174) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxZru-0000wX-H0 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 13:18:42 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33823) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxZrt-0002MO-85; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 13:18:41 -0500 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kxZrn-0007Bw-O3; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 13:18:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83wnwolu2i.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 07 Jan 2021 16:07:01 +0200) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 14:34:18 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:491 Archived-At: > The GNU project doesn't want to give non-free software the remote > changes of success, so mentioning or linking to it unless it is > very well known would be working against its own goals. So you are basically saying that no GNU package can ever help me find out information about potentially non-free software? Why should a GNU project ever give any legitimacy to a (specifically, unknown) non-free software program? E.g., by listing information about it or linking to it. You are in effect saying that no GNU package can ever help me with these tasks, except if I'm looking for info about a Free Software package, because divulging any information about a non-free package means "promoting" it? That is a very strange and radical interpretation of "promotion", one that hurts our own cause by preventing me from quickly and reliably answering the above basic questions about any software package I ever come across. I never used the word promote or promotion -- I'm actually avoiding it since I think it is prone to misinterpretation. But if we (GNU) link to a non-free software program, we are giving that program legitimacy to exist and effectivly saying that it is fine. Finding various non-free programs one is already able to do, but it isn't the task of the GNU project or a specific GNU project to make it easier. So I think yes, it would be strange for the GNU project, or specific GNU projects to make it easy to find information about non-free software -- even with big Caveat Emptor warning.. I see no problem here, either: repology.org doesn't promote or legitimize any of the packages whose information it records. It does so by listing (describing) them; that legitimizes the non-free programs. Maybe we should continue this discussion on another, more suitable GNU list. When I remeber, I try to replace emacs-devel@ -- but sometimes one forgets. I've replaced emacs-devel@ with emacs-tangents@; maybe some other list might be more appropriate?