Re: why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine]

[Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>]

Big statements there, with zero references. This is not conspiracy website.


On February 28, 2022 3:22:31 PM UTC, Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu> wrote:
>> And that would imply that Putin is really mad men and is now coming
>to
>> attack Ukraine for which real reason? You tell us please.
>
>Because russians are so tired of him and he’s getting old and afraid of
>loosing control, so 
>he launches his last card and plays everything in.
>
>Ukraine, along with Finland and Sweden (which he threatened too) are
>worrying 
>counterexample of liberalism and better situation to most of russians. 
>And most of 
>russians are aware of this.
>
>Moreover: speaking russian in ukraine is easy, many people understand
>russian there (I 
>keep hearing that russian propaganda stating people are being
>threatened for speaking 
>russian there is wrong, from mostly russians leaving there; and to have
>mostly spoke 
>russian myself in ukraine i can confirm); if a russian moves there, not
>only they can keep 
>speaking their language, but they can most easily learn the local one
>as it is most similar, 
>pretty easy and even somewhat more regular and rational.
>
>So that WAS a really nice place, and the easiest one, for russians to
>escape.  The conflict 
>since its beginning (before war) is itself is a mere excuse to avoid
>that to happen (as 
>russian men has been forbidden to go there before).  There is to some
>degree hypocrit 
>collaboration between russian and ukrainian elites (who btw both have
>stakes and 
>properties and capital in each others’ country) for that sake:
>artificially separating as much 
>as possible two countries with so friendly and similar people with each
>other.  There have 
>been, on both side, support to the far right, neonazis, etc.  A lot
>more so from putin’s side: 
>most of the far rights and neonazis are funded by him in Europe. 
>French far right is backed 
>by Putin.  Hungary and Poland, worst situations in europe, are because
>of Putin.  Our 
>increasing commitment to methane, because of our abandonment of
>carbonclean nuclear 
>(and also the subsequent increasing reliement on coal) is also Putin’s
>fault.  This is not only 
>threatening Russia, Ukraine, Europe, but the whole planet’s citizens.
>
>That was okay as long as it only meant for ukraine to give up on
>helping and welcoming 
>russians.  Now it’s not enough anymore.  The internet is making the
>people increasingly 
>powerful and aware of whatever freedom exists elsewhere and they could
>get.
>
>The same sospokenabout situation of «if we lower taxes the powerfuls
>are gonna escape» 
>is there happening inversely: if you help the powerful, the actual
>people will see it and 
>wanna leave.  This always have been true, it is called migration. 
>Migration is a threat to 
>oppression, and border its solution: a threat to freedom.  Free
>circulation of wealth good to 
>the wealthiests and their wealth, free circulation of people good to
>the people and their 
>freedom.
>
>Wars, soldiers, militaries, aggressions, these all reinforce borders.
>
>What inspired me mostly:
>https://nitter.fdn.fr/jmkorhonen/status/1496047631969234944[1] 
>
>Please remember we have to keep in favor of freedom, and that means
>against aggression, 
>against censorship, surveillance, proprietary software.  If you ever
>feel these could locally 
>or temporarily used to fight oppression, you are tricked.
>
>--------
>[1] https://nitter.fdn.fr/jmkorhonen/status/1496047631969234944


Jean