From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Yates Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: A Zine/Newsletter for ELPA Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2022 11:24:53 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87mt9y6rdt.fsf@posteo.net> <87tu45zho4.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87zgdx5sqk.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34649"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Philip Kaludercic , emacs-tangents@gnu.org To: Sacha Chua Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 15 17:27:22 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ojj4L-0008tK-JO for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 17:27:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34778 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojj4K-000574-MY for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 11:27:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49256) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojj2D-0002E7-4h for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 11:25:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-f177.google.com ([209.85.210.177]:34510) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojj2B-0004kW-Bn for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 11:25:08 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-f177.google.com with SMTP id f140so7460793pfa.1 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 08:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=I6aB3m4J8ys2fgkUM8uliWvvv57O8nDJFg1IL9Npbxc=; b=Ryf279CCNbjgG9r1picEuPxREifoQyFCmrcRslBoSQpUAaEF1zxyvBHp+Ieyo503Pl jOmtbUlhWoLm5Pd8MrNGMfENGVW10Bzzq7vKL2lMGmskLTZz65r0gendpLvn/78uFrp4 MYw1QabA+uGanDgNNm2kTkTiuPWtKCZIAC+sa1UaHws1u0Kf+/gGoH/H9H3LIgktt1AQ uKaZI96QYspTAOH4P8JZuo/2++ZR/ovmWcfZWlatPPxFOZTpWwoyYwyo1U2Vi0MeZg8X /vYta9EkAFPdrabD6Gj8jefqonCnes6XLfo26a9ybm/EsMhwcNzblccXMal+d+oHHCX8 43Ug== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3DFSBbLmbd8m2/Cemaov16KyYusVPLhw+0Le5PpmBnfidyhUke fPGEAWGZW+da3Ps/l0z2q8xzAPmOgzDXYu3ao2c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM6bXZKyp7WbFwSFkYz5YoSbcTqcUe00bNq/uWwQhwdCHOV//yR1hNi00iUM28f7PUwbSox6Ud116HrMFE0zA+k= X-Received: by 2002:a65:580a:0:b0:439:befc:d2b0 with SMTP id g10-20020a65580a000000b00439befcd2b0mr2961347pgr.302.1665847504728; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 08:25:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.210.177; envelope-from=john.yates.sheets@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-f177.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:933 Archived-At: These goals seem to conflate multiple wishes: > Somewhere where new packages and releases can not only be announced Announcements have limited shelf life. They should be handled via some form of notification mechanism. Perhaps an ELPA section in Sacha's Emacs News would suffice. > but also commented on and "reviewed". This seems to suggest a review site. (A quick web search suggests that there are frameworks out there to facilitate creating such sites.) That said, posting opinions seems of low value and rarely actionable (see below). > Perhaps also a place where people can post ideas for packages This is a conversation. Would not a mailing list suffice. What is wrong with help-gnu-emacs? > or where abandoned packages can find new maintainers. How would this relate to https://github.com/emacsattic? > Basically anything on the topic of Emacs packages, in one package. Seems too amorphous to be sustainable. My two cents... I am very impressed with Eli's leadership of emacs development. Look at all the goodness that is going into version 29, his commitment to tightening the release cadence, his willingness to say 'no' to both RMS and bikeshedders, etc. To have my support, a proposal should serve to enhance Eli's contributions. More immediately, look at his effort to drive toward better abstraction and unification of the existing find-file and find-sibling-file with Damien Cassou's pending related-files. This is exactly the sort of effort I would hope to support. I see such activities as curation. Thus I could imagine an emacs-curate mailing list. I would be happy to subscribe. /john