From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sacha Chua Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: A Zine/Newsletter for ELPA Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:00:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87mt9y6rdt.fsf@posteo.net> <87tu45zho4.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87zgdx5sqk.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003f346805eb14d752" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10386"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Philip Kaludercic , emacs-tangents@gnu.org To: John Yates Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 15 18:04:08 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ojjdw-0002Ty-D3 for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 18:04:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44784 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojjdu-0003pr-TA for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:04:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38530) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojjaQ-0008TK-Ac for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:00:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io1-xd2c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c]:38800) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojjaO-0001iz-31 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:00:30 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-io1-xd2c.google.com with SMTP id b79so5949740iof.5 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:00:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sachachua-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=U5rS+Ww++BS1IMBA6+wFKWMbFuQSAiyHPoxClZojnus=; b=3V2/hLE9sotpUNycUtizB/TFy6l/Mge+7i73L9hlrCRkAFE12Wso28Exrp/v6DuTm7 JDp+asSMXwweqS2bnqmApT90N1F8l6B6hDiosTA05FqSjPeLkDStyuEBtdc8vEC3Fqq9 8ummlbHHOzty3vlyr5nkdqI/T4cAkL9tNHxLOXGHIOaVHePs5gqM/6HAPwsGij0v8E3Y 5zuNqKXY6xz31edCTl1VdKwTCXrob87ievhhMcSV3Hayz+cnYJ49uV3iVLvLHtRL6SBZ BT8QBli2de5kmFFEddXtZptuVEMMxf28Vr6dkZHaEJlMs/AbV5F4BjbDE5m/ukjNoF5T oIhw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=U5rS+Ww++BS1IMBA6+wFKWMbFuQSAiyHPoxClZojnus=; b=hLEPguXCa2aYZ3VnXYUGArWP476N5hYY/7CtAlDbrgzGr/lVL0pUYPTERmbWyMIMRW V4Cd0K89WNhjvCfennioUtF1xV20hLkVDpcHCmqVP4R6cZG5lr774A7rzOuaNqhd/bzc 0SaPJOEbubkqdlm458O5oQjM1255WYAMPP0r5bxS2rCkQ6Vsw2DkQLTtk3dIT6/LVHoW bELAJWdg4v/l8rH+Hge40OCB/sfHxr7jBL7MxptejQuqFUJ1erYFb5aiVGhu+91yFVMI WM0sbb/RlZfr4anfDOPlzlrsEB0ZqMrpIhuq5c6B9miPm6yXpKCHhOY9myMG8OMh2WVg jqeg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2guLQqwI0ECHfj9NiDo2l7fX0CqX7dJ1b+0+FDcmxwmBpBJZYK tcvdfvKIiMz0RfYTbbdzoEK0nasP99e9hYks4C+MvA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM512c1j6im4Ce4QazpFUCjFzLxhGkQb/JWsjHPTQaa7N3cW78GyeFU2TCwfzI2LQ7ARWU0g8WwDKe8XXhJLmKs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:240e:b0:363:dbde:4176 with SMTP id z14-20020a056638240e00b00363dbde4176mr1613949jat.243.1665849626662; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:00:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: none client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c; envelope-from=sacha@sachachua.com; helo=mail-io1-xd2c.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:934 Archived-At: --0000000000003f346805eb14d752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 11:25 John Yates wrote: > mechanism. Perhaps an ELPA section in > Sacha's Emacs News would suffice. > I have a list of new packages at the end of the newsletter, and I've recently started indicating their package archive as well. In addition, I email info-gnu-emacs@gnu.org when I notice new GNU ELPA packages. > but also commented on and "reviewed". > This seems to suggest a review site. (A quick web search suggests > that there are frameworks out there to facilitate creating such > sites.) That said, posting opinions seems of low value and rarely > actionable (see below). > Prot does a great job of writing blog posts and often making videos about his new packages, which are usually posted to GNU ELPA. I link to these in Emacs News, and they'll probably come up in searches as well. I notice that interesting new packages tend to get picked up in blog posts and Reddit threads in the weeks after the packages are published. I currently don't have the time to summarize posts beyond quick links, but perhaps someone would like to do a monthly round up like the way This Month in Org does? > > Perhaps also a place where people can post ideas for packages > This is a conversation. Would not a mailing list suffice. What is > wrong with help-gnu-emacs? > I sometimes see conversations like that grow out of mailing lists or web-based forums like Reddit. Ideas are pretty easy to float, though, and it's hard to match them up with a person with the same itch. It seems to work out better when people share what they've figured out so far, then other people say they want something like that too, and then the code gets turned into a package. > or where abandoned packages can find new maintainers. > How would this relate to https://github.com/emacsattic? > When there's an announcement, I usually put it in a Help Wanted section at the start of Emacs News. I am very impressed with Eli's leadership of emacs development. Eli is awesome! More immediately, look at his effort to drive toward better > abstraction and unification of the existing find-file and > find-sibling-file with Damien Cassou's pending related-files. This is > exactly the sort of effort I would hope to support. I see such > activities as curation. Thus I could imagine an emacs-curate mailing > list. I would be happy to subscribe. > Andres Ramirez has been sending me links to interesting emacs-devel messages for possible inclusion in Emacs News. I'd love to get other people's links and notes as well. I read emacs-devel on a very cursory level (mostly looking at subjects and what Eli replies :) ), so extra context would be great! Sacha > --0000000000003f346805eb14d752 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 11:25 John Yates <john@yates-sheet= s.org> wrote:
<= /div>

=C2=A0mechanism.=C2=A0 Perhaps an E= LPA section in
Sacha's Emacs News would suffice.

I have a list of new packages at the = end of the newsletter, and I've recently started indicating their packa= ge archive as well. In addition, I email info-gnu-emacs@gnu.org whe= n I notice new GNU ELPA packages.

> but also commented on and "reviewed".
This seems to suggest a review site.=C2=A0 (A quick web search suggests
that there are frameworks out there to facilitate creating such
sites.)=C2=A0 That said, posting opinions seems of low value and rarely
actionable (see below).

<= /div>
Prot does a great job of writing blog posts and ofte= n making videos about his new packages, which are usually posted to GNU ELP= A. I link to these in Emacs News, and they'll probably come up in searc= hes as well. I notice that interesting new packages tend to get picked up i= n blog posts and Reddit threads in the weeks after the packages are publish= ed. I currently don't have the time to summarize posts beyond quick lin= ks, but perhaps someone would like to do a monthly round up like the way Th= is Month in Org does?

=
> Perhaps also a place where people can post ideas for packages This is a conversation.=C2=A0 Would not a mailing list suffice.=C2=A0 What = is
wrong with help-gnu-emacs?
I sometimes see conversations like that grow out = of mailing lists or web-based forums like Reddit. Ideas are pretty easy to = float, though, and it's hard to match them up with a person with the sa= me itch. It seems to work out better when people share what they've fig= ured out so far, then other people say they want something like that too, a= nd then the code gets turned into a package.

> or where abandoned packages can find new maintainers.
How would this relate to https://github.com/emacs= attic?

When there's an announcement, I usually put it in a Help Want= ed section at the start of Emacs News.

I = am very impressed with Eli's leadership of emacs development.=C2=A0

Eli is a= wesome!

More immediately, look at his effort to drive toward better
abstraction and unification of the existing find-file and
find-sibling-file with Damien Cassou's pending related-files.=C2=A0 Thi= s is
exactly the sort of effort I would hope to support.=C2=A0 I see such
activities as curation.=C2=A0 Thus I could imagine an emacs-curate mailing<= br> list.=C2=A0 I would be happy to subscribe.

Andres Ramirez has been sending m= e links to interesting emacs-devel messages for possible inclusion in Emacs= News. I'd love to get other people's links and notes as well. I re= ad emacs-devel on a very cursory level (mostly looking at subjects and what= Eli replies :) ), so extra context would be great!
=
Sacha
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