From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Miller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Privileges and practicalities [was: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 14:47:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87zh1jag72.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37161"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org, ams@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp , Eli Zaretskii To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 11 14:54:47 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kyxeg-0009Yh-St for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; 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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR02-AM5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:570 Archived-At: Jean Louis writes: >>Free software is a privilege, as it is. It requires a lot of knowledge >>about computing praxis and culture, internet culture, legal stuff, and >>politics. =20 > > How privilege? I don't see how is free software privilege. Not for me. It= should > be basic human right for users to have control of their data, and not to = let > other companies or individuals control my data. You can easily exercise your right: do not use their services. It is still free. > Better said proprietary software is mischievous unfortunate degrading eve= nt of human history and we are working to the reverse it. > >>It=E2=80=99s fundamental and inevitable and unavoidable for free software= to >>interact and cooperate with non-free software, if such a goal is not >>limited to the use cases of some privileged hackers. =20 > > We have fully free software that need not ever interact or cooperate with= non > free. So I don't know where you pull out that anti information. Just star= t with > www.gnu.org to find software that never ever need to cooperate with propr= ietary > software. > > >>Most software, >>and >>most of popular software is closed source. =20 > > I did not count to say so. But what is popular it does not matter in GNU = project, what matters is that we do have fully free software and operating = systems.=20 > >>Most users of software >>_cannot_ avoid non-free software.=20 > > Whoever is informed well and decides so themselves can switch to fully fr= ee software. People make decisions on their own. Maybe, if all they have to do is covered by the free alternatives, which it is not for many people and organisations. It would be good if it is not so, but it is. Keep repeating that everyone can choose a free alternative if they just were is uninformed, ignorant and missleading. Best I can say: just a wishful thinking. Unfortunately. I wish it was true myself. > GNU project is everything else but not ivory tower. Otherwise you would n= ot be able to discuss here. > > What GNU project promotes is free software. GNU never says to its users = to use > exclusively free software and never condemns people for using proprietary > software. > > I thus do not see where is problem. > > Your statements are too general and I do not see how they relate. No, they are not at all. They are quite precise. If you fail to not understand what "promote free software", "never says its users to use exclusively free software" and "never condemns people for using proprietary software" then the fail is completely on your side.