From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, ulm@gentoo.org,
ams@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, self@gkayaalp.com, eliz@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Privileges and practicalities [was: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:29:53 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM0PR06MB6577047F839AC5B9B84DF74796AA0@AM0PR06MB6577.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1kzCsQ-0006QG-MD@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 12 Jan 2021 01:09:58 -0500")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
> > It is a miscommunication, albeit on GNU project side. Not all humans have
> > possibility to use non-free software in all aspects of their life :-).
>
> Why argue the question?
It is important to have the enbaling option, i.e. possibility. If a
non-swimmer sees a drowning man in a lake, it is not unethical to not
jump into the lake to save the drowning man. It is easy to be righteous
for a well fed man in a cozy home having all
> > I think GNU project should tell people to use exclusively free software
> > *whenever they can*,
>
> It's possible you've been misinformed about what the GNU Project says
> to the public about using software. Have you looked at what we
> actually say? You can find it in https://gnu.org/philosophy/.
I haven't red everything; some. I must admit when I wrote the sentence
you quoted, I was thinking of that text (part 8.) I linked to, not of
the rest. It was the one that was the basis for the argumentation here,
so I just focused on that one.
> To start with, look at fsf.org/tedx,
I didn't know you had a ted-talk :-). Yes, I will watch it.
> https://gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html,
> and https://gnu.org/philosophy/saying-no-even-once.html.
>
> > This is a bit paradoxical again. For the first, there is a slight
> > problem with saying that people's work is unethical, but not people
> > themselves. I understand what you mean, but I am afraid that a wider
> > audience is not that understanding.
>
> I think it is important to be able to condemn an act without
> condemning the person who does it. Nuances like that are important.
> To simplify them away would result in being too harsh on the people.
I think you are correct about that one. I was thinking about it more
later, and I think I was going to far there.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-01-12 14:29 UTC|newest]
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2021-01-07 18:18 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 19:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 21:07 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 21:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-08 17:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-08 19:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-09 6:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 19:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10 5:59 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-01-11 4:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 13:35 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12 6:10 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-12 15:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-12 6:11 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:08 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-13 5:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-15 14:46 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-09 6:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 19:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-11 4:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 6:37 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-01-07 18:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 21:07 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-08 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 10:14 ` Privileges and practicalities [was: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el] Göktuğ Kayaalp
2021-01-08 11:46 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 12:51 ` Aldric Giacomoni
2021-01-08 16:23 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-08 18:47 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09 6:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 14:11 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:29 ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2021-01-08 19:17 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2021-01-09 6:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 14:24 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:19 ` Arthur Miller
2021-10-04 13:46 ` Time to dial back the dialectic? [was: Re: Privileges and practicalities] dick
2021-10-04 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 20:53 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 7:25 ` Privileges and practicalities [was: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el] Jean Louis
2021-01-10 17:18 ` Devin Prater
2021-01-11 15:57 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09 6:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 6:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 13:47 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12 6:10 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:32 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-13 5:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-08 13:53 ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el Jean Louis
2021-01-08 17:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-08 18:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 19:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-10 6:06 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-01-11 4:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 13:00 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12 6:11 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:10 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-13 5:42 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 6:37 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10 6:31 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-01-13 5:29 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-15 14:37 ` Arthur Miller
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2021-01-08 11:48 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 12:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 13:56 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 18:27 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-09 6:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10 6:07 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-10 6:04 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-10 6:04 ` Richard Stallman
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2021-01-07 19:38 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 20:31 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 20:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 21:00 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 6:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 10:24 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-08 11:28 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09 6:35 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 8:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-09 8:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10 6:13 ` Sv: " arthur miller
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2021-01-07 11:46 ` Jean Louis
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2021-01-07 20:23 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 11:54 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-08 18:23 ` Jean Louis
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