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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR05-AM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:580 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > In some previous mail you answered you had no problems with medical > > hardware running non-free blobs. In order to be consistent in > > philosophical sense, you should have problem with it. > > But... I don't reject appliances in general for possibly having > nonfree software in them. If the appliance doesn't talk to a network, Why not? Medical hardware mostly have access to some network to store patients data nowdays. For the philosophy part, is it clearly stated in the text it is ok to have some non-free software in hardware? I am reflecting on philosophical theory and moral issue at the hand. Given the text (part 8.) it comes out from the text that any non free software is unethical. I believe you are in same position as Kant about the cathegorical imperative and the famous example of lying to the murderer at the door. According to critics one can't lie to the murderer at the door. According to the Kant there is no problem to lying at the door. I personally believe that problem is how people interpret Kant's theory. I believe that Kant interprets this as contract between rational beings (which leads to another critique of his theory). I think he sees a murderer as non-rational being and thus we are not obliged to obey him, i.e. we don't need to act rationally ourselves and can lie to him. I don't know I > what's inside it is not a crucial issue, as long as it is not meant > for anyone to change it. I don't think this is strong enough argument. Intel's blob in cpus is not meant for anyone to change it. Should we accept it? I think you don't accept it. So "not ment to change it" is insufficient requirement. I am not here to play the devil's advocate, I am just trying to point out philosophical difficulties with the issue. I draw parallel again with Kant and cathergorical (what we always should do) versus hypothetical (what we should do sometimes) imperative. I am not sure how to solve that, I just personally think there are some fundamental difficulties in the GNU philosphy that has manifested themselves with this discussion about repology and that maybe need to be addressed. I am not sure I can offer any better solution myself either.