From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Emacs User Survey 2020 Results Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2020 22:30:27 +0300 Message-ID: <87y2i6rd4c.fsf@gkayaalp.com> References: <27f2aad6-2c1e-1127-bce6-5e96a241db56@gmx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25392"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 28.0.50 Cc: Adrien Brochard To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 09 21:14:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kn5qj-0006UJ-SF for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 21:14:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54430 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kn5qi-0004ob-Uz for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 15:14:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40322) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kn5Ab-0007DY-UB for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 14:30:37 -0500 Original-Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:14447) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kn5AY-0008Qb-71 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 14:30:37 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 31.177.206.57 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [31.177.206.57]) (Authenticated sender: self@gkayaalp.com) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A212240006; Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:30:29 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.70.183.193; envelope-from=self@gkayaalp.com; helo=relay1-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:463 Archived-At: On 2020-12-09 20:22 +03, Jean Louis wrote: > Number one critic to you is that you drive people who use free > software to non-free software. Please, please, let we be done with this. People have the choice as to what software they decide to use, so let=E2=80=99s not spam people=E2=80=99= s inboxes with this useless tirade, especially if it=E2=80=99ll be in this patronisin= g and ungrateful manner. If this person chose to use Matlab, it=E2=80=99s totally their decision. Software they used on their own device. Nobody gets to say anything about that. Now, the choice of Google forms is not great, but nobody forced anybody to fill in the survey, and nobody has the right or authority to decide with which software people get to use the name of Emacs with. That sort of language policing is easily fascistic, whatever the yardstick looks like. Also, looking over your email again, I see no link to any online survey tools that could replace the use of Google Forms here. Also, just because it=E2=80=99s about Emacs, they need not be using Emacs solutions for everything they do. If they like Jupyter over Org mode, that=E2=80=99s it, nobody gets a word to say about it. Furthermore, there = is a package that lets you control Jupyter notebooks from inside Emacs. Besides, the data is public. Overall, this is terrible attitude. > - html/css is not a programming language, SQL is a structured query > language with some functions but it is not a programming > language. Both of those claims are debatable. The latter _highly_ debatable. -- =C4=B0. G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp / @cadadr / pgp: 024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427