From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: no to war in Ukraine Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 02:19:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87sfs1cfsh.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87ee3p4xn4.fsf@zoho.eu> <87tucl18rp.fsf@zoho.eu> <3cf3a903-10fb-76e4-24f8-d2e48d045f5c@rixotstudio.cz> <87ee3p17tx.fsf@zoho.eu> <87zgmauhq3.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87wnhdtvwj.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36082"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:o+cEkW7+0lxwkMpbKz6ivic2DhU= Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 02 04:24:16 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nPFb5-0009A1-8v for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2022 04:24:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53542 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nPFb3-0007m6-VY for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 22:24:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51272) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nPDeF-0007vR-NE for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 20:19:24 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:53246) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nPDeE-0000M4-0j for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2022 20:19:23 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nPDeB-0000Pg-Qv for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2022 02:19:19 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 22:21:24 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:822 Archived-At: They say all the time the invasion isn't going to plan, Russia is surprised by the resistence etc etc, but how do they know that? Since the Russians piled up all those arms on the other side of the border which now easily have been moved in to the war scene wouldn't that indicate they expected they would come to use? I think they know the Ukrainians inside out and they don't do this unless they are 98% certain to win. I looks to me like the strategy is to tie up the regular forces in the East where they were already half busy keeping track of the separatists, now the Russians encircle further from the South to cut them off completely while hitting the big cities to force them to surrender, and the convoy for Kiev - offering a HUGE target but there are no Ukrainian forces there to hit it! - with artillery and tanks will finalize that strategy with a huge siege ... If this was the plan from day one - and that sounds reasonable since they did have a plan, they always do - then to me it looks like it is going very much in accordance with it! -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal