From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Max Brieiev Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine] Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 10:43:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87o82qvzaf.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87ee3p4xn4.fsf@zoho.eu> <87czj7gpyp.fsf@gmail.com> <5132354.M1jKaovQIP@galex-713.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19354"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, Alexandre Garreau To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 01 14:35:50 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nP2fN-0004qs-VR for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Tue, 01 Mar 2022 00:43:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Tue, 01 Mar 2022 06:01:01 +0000") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a00:1450:4864:20::62b (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::62b; envelope-from=max.brieiev@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x62b.google.com X-Spam_action: no action X-Listhelper-Id: 20220301020804-2772 X-Bogosity: Spam, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=1.000000, version=1.2.4 X-CRM114-Status: SPAM ( -5.37 ) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=96.88.95.61; envelope-from=mlmgr@proulx.com; helo=havoc.proulx.com X-Spam_score_int: 26 X-Spam_score: 2.6 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.998, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 08:34:32 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:807 Archived-At: Jean Louis writes: > Big statements there, with zero references. This is not conspiracy website. You made some big statements as well about justification of invasion into Ukraine. You accuse Ukraine of complex political situation. My friend, Ukraine is the most democratic country of the former USSR. Not only that, Ukraine is doing good progress in eliminating corruption, just check Transparency International reports since 2014. The whole country is being reformed after 2014 revolution, despite huge resources are being drained into the conflict in the east. Zelensky was elected by 72% of voters. What is so complex about that? He is a jew and he is native Russian speaker. How could nazi allow that? Maybe your nazi proclaims are just a myth? Look at the Russian mercenaries of Wagner group, who are serving Russian government. Just google for it and their leader Dmitry Utkin. Those are true nazis! And they are here right now, in Ukraine, fighting Ukrainian people. True "liberators"! Ukraine has some disgraceful past of World War II period, related to Polish people. That is true. This was a tragedy and I am ashamed of it. But how can you link the events of WW2 to the current time, saying that things are the same? Also, this is not Poland, who is attacking Ukraine, but Russia. All your references are about the conflict in 2014. The war is not only about battles. It is also the time, when marauders and criminals are doing their nasty things. This was the time when Russia invaded Crimea and Donbass region, just a couple days after euromaidan succeded, a total mess, we had no government, no army, nothing! And so I see your words as misinformation or propaganda, most Ukrainians don't share your views. There can't be any justification for invasion. You are blurring the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine, and Ukrainian people are giving their lives at this very moment.